"Safety Bullets"?

eliska · Sep 16, 2010

Not sure what section to post this in.

Does anyone think this product - "Safety Bullet" - makes any sense??? http://www.ccwsupply.biz/SafetyBulletPAGE.htm

It's a plastic bullet that you chamber in your home defense handgun. Then, if your child finds the gun and pulls the trigger, it purposefully jams the weapon. To clear the jam, you have to drop the mag, insert a rod and bang the plastic plug out. If it has not been "fired," you rack the slide to eject the "safety bullet" and chamber a live round.

Of course, you may not know that your child has jammed your pistol until a BG is coming down the hall. And there is no way to prevent the child from racking the slide and chambering a live round - and then firing the gun!

What do you guys think? Useful product?

Quickdraw22 · Sep 16, 2010

We've gone over them a LOOOONG time ago, and I was glad that I forgot about them.

Safety bullets < Gun Safety.

sonanth · Sep 16, 2010

Retarded. All I have to say about that.

DAVE_M · Sep 16, 2010

Quickdraw22 said:
Safety bullets < Gun Safety.

+1

Cat · Sep 16, 2010

Stupid. It encourages laziness. All home self defense weapons can be safely kept away from a child. It may not be as easy as opening a drawer on the nightstand but it can be done. A product that sidesteps diligence allows a parent to relax around their children with firearms present and this is where accidents occur.

Not to mention you will run the risk of a jam yourself.

Hardballing · Sep 16, 2010

Dumb idea.

For all the reasons stated. Younger children? Several other ways to handle that.

Older kids? 6 or so and up? TEACH them from that point on.

Just my .02 (but I raised 3 in a house FULL of guns, loaded guns at that).

Cat · Sep 16, 2010

Hardballing said:
Dumb idea.

For all the reasons stated. Younger children? Several other ways to handle that.

Older kids? 6 or so and up? TEACH them from that point on.

Just my .02 (but I raised 3 in a house FULL of guns, loaded guns at that).

Good distinction. I slapped a general "children" down. But you make a good point at the differences in age.

Pacioli · Sep 16, 2010

Cat said:
It encourages laziness.

^^^This^^^

Guate_shooter · Sep 16, 2010

sonanth said:
Retarded. All I have to say about that.

^^^^^ THISSSSSSSSSSSS ^^^^^^^^^^

Should need those if you take the responsability that comes with owning and operating a firearm, might as well buy Snap Caps and use them to practice as well.

herohog · Sep 16, 2010

The worst idea EVER. The inventor needs to have the entire company's inventory stored up his... I must go medicate now...

Hardballing · Sep 16, 2010

Cat said:
Good distinction. I slapped a general "children" down. But you make a good point at the differences in age.

Gracias Mrs. C.

What I did do was, when they got to older ages, was take them out with a .22 handgun or rifle and do some shooting. During that FIRST outing, I'd also have either a watermelon or a grapefruit. And I'd have a .357 magnum along too. Get them close and have them shoot the fruit with the magnum.

Then tell them, "now imagine that was Mommy, or "X" (insert dog name here), or "Y" (insert best friends name here) and you can see now what would happen to THEM if they got shot". Eyes get wide. Point gets made. Lesson gets learned.

And you STILL got to watch them like hawks.

SpeedRacer · Sep 16, 2010

How is it any different than just leaving the chamber empty? You have to rack the slide either way, except this introduces the possibility of jamming your gun at a time when you'd like it not to be.

LACamper · Sep 16, 2010

I must have missed the original discussion. Their idea is stupid. Now, in theory, I wouldn't mind having a few real (as in riot police issued) plastic bullets.

bayoupirate · Sep 16, 2010

If anyone can get to your firearm and pull the trigger, you're not storing your firearms safetly. What if the child has seen you rack the slide and then shoot. Don't you think she would use you as an example and do the same? Then what?

I do feel that like all things safety, Your Brain is the primary safety for all things.

Suburbazine · Sep 16, 2010

None in the chamber is just as good as a dud.

Regardless of anyone else's feelings on the matter, I keep mine empty chamber because I figure if I'm in a situation where I need to shoot someone, racking the slide is worth the extra few hundred milliseconds in the sense that at least I'll know what I'm doing.

SirIsaacNewton · Sep 16, 2010

SpeedRacer said:
How is it any different than just leaving the chamber empty? You have to rack the slide either way, except this introduces the possibility of jamming your gun at a time when you'd like it not to be.

I think the point is to scar the **** out of the child first and also render your gun inoperable. It would be equivalent to using an air horn that would deafen your child as it approached an electric socket with a metal eating utensil. Makes sense in my mind.

Mr_Willson · Sep 16, 2010

useless

Sin-ster · Sep 17, 2010

SirIsaacNewton said:
I think the point is to scar the **** out of the child first and also render your gun inoperable. It would be equivalent to using an air horn that would deafen your child as it approached an electric socket with a metal eating utensil. Makes sense in my mind.

There's no powder charge, only a primer, and it sounds like the hammer/striker falling on an empty chamber. Only it jams up the gun.

You actually get two "safety bullets" per package, and the idea is to load one in the chamber and one on the top of the mag. That way, if the kid works the slide and pulls the trigger, it's the same as simply pulling the trigger the first time. Of course, if he works it twice...

This is just double the potential for someone under stress to jam up their gun at the worst possible moment, IMHO. The first thing I said when I saw a package was just how dangerous they were, as opposed to safe. You could train your way through having the work the slide twice before engaging, but... why would you want to?

LACamper · Sep 17, 2010

Just to play devil's advocate... if an intruder managed to get ahold of your gun with their safety bullet in place it might give you an advantage.

Sin-ster · Sep 17, 2010

LACamper said:
Just to play devil's advocate... if an intruder managed to get ahold of your gun with their safety bullet in place it might give you an advantage.

This was actually the one advantage I saw, but not at all what the product is geared towards. It's also the least likely scenario in a home defense situation, as the intruder is probably going to be armed with a firearm of their own. Not sure where to look for statistics on that, but I'd be willing to bet that it's pretty high.

The best thing I can say is that they are an inexpensive option that's "faster" than a gun lock, but less safe at the same time. With the host of touch pad pistol safes on the market, this would be my last choice. Realistically, there are two loaded weapons in the house-- a sidearm that never leaves my hip/immediate reach, and the bedside 870. When children are in the house, the 870 goes empty and away; the .45 stays in its holster, at my side. Even the empty guns are locked up tight at that point.

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