Louisiana May be Close to Concealed Carry Without Permit.

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  • Kraut

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    No one has to pay for a class to open carry a firearm. No safety instruction, no nomenclature test, no legal briefs, no lectures on safe storage, nothing that is in the course material to get a permit in order to tuck it in your pocket or drape a jacket over it. Just purchase, strap up, and off to Walmart you go! That makes NO frickin' sense to have to suddenly be required to submit a packet of paperwork, pay for a training class and permit, to conceal a gun rather than carry it openly. Also, there is nothing that I know of that says one can't open carry once they're 18, so why deny concealed carry until someone is 21? It's not illegal for someone 18 years old to possess a handgun, they just can't be the purchaser from a licensed dealer (also stupid and pointless). There is even a provision under 14:95.8 C(7) that allows for someone under 18 to be in possession of a handgun with a note from mommy or daddy. So if all of that is allowable, what's the big deal about stuffing it in your coat pocket or waistline?

    I think training is great, I would advocate getting some if you don't know what you're doing, but I don't think the permit should be required in order to carry a firearm concealed. Keep the process in place, because other states may still require it for reciprocity when travelling, but it's a fundamental right to be able to defend yourself, and since the government is not capable of doing so for you, then it's not their place to stand in the way of you doing so effectively.

    Also, Mike Tregre sounds like a frickin' idiot in that article! How's he supposed to train his people for that? That's a pretty easy in-service if you ask me: "Hey everybody, it's no longer illegal to conceal a weapon on your person without a permit. All other laws about who can't legally possess a firearm remain the same. Sign the attendance roster, enjoy the rest of your day." I'll gladly, for a fat paycheck, offer my services to get his deputies up to speed should the bill become law.
     

    charlie12

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    Wonder how many CC holders out there know that if drink any Alcholic beverage you are not allowed to carry at the time. I see this being violated often in this state. Esp by my Friends in the NOLA area.
    I knew. I've had a CHP since they started. I know you can't run .05 or above. But I don't drink
     

    Horrible

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    Wonder how many CC holders out there know that if drink any Alcholic beverage you are not allowed to carry at the time. I see this being violated often in this state. Esp by my Friends in the NOLA area.
    Meh. How many people that have had a CHP have shot the place up after having a beer or two? I am not aware of any specific incidents, but could be wrong.

    I don’t believe that one loses their God-given right to self defense if they choose to have an adult beverage after a long day, despite what the law says.
     

    GunRelated

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    Louisiana could do a free online course like the Dept of Wildlife and Fisheries does for boating.

    Not a bad idea, but should not be a requirement. The less government oversight, the better, for anything.

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    John_

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    I don’t believe that one loses their God-given right to self defense if they choose to have an adult beverage after a long day, despite what the law says.

    How about 2 or 3? or maybe 4? I believe the limit is .05 for a CHP carrying. Do you actually have a CHP?
     

    krotsman

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    No one has to pay for a class to open carry a firearm. No safety instruction, no nomenclature test, no legal briefs, no lectures on safe storage, nothing that is in the course material to get a permit in order to tuck it in your pocket or drape a jacket over it. Just purchase, strap up, and off to Walmart you go! That makes NO frickin' sense to have to suddenly be required to submit a packet of paperwork, pay for a training class and permit, to conceal a gun rather than carry it openly.
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    GOOD POINT! I don't think any of the articles I have read about it mention no training for open carry. They tend to mention LA allowing open carry, but nothing about no training requirements for that.
     
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    323MAR

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    Many of the people who want this are those of us who have had numerous training classes in the military, security, civilian, and or LE are tired of paying for renewals with our money and time.
    Some of us have not renewed due to Covid and refuse to spend a penny more.
    Since I have had enough handgun training to last four lifetimes, perhaps John Bell should require people like me to take a refresher course on crew served weapons like the M2 or MK-19?
     

    Peacemaker

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    I'm of the mindset that either we have the right or not! If we have the right to own a firearm, we should be allowed to carry it. Training is a bunch of malarky! The training that is offered and required for the permit is laughable! Everyone here knows it's laughable!

    Trying to keep the general public from killing themselves is laughable. You can't fix stupid, and if I'm penalized because some moron needs extra attention because they are STUPID, is that fair to me?

    In all honesty most people realize that they are incapable of owning and safely possessing a firearm and so they don't.
     

    crippy02

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    Many of the people who want this are those of us who have had numerous training classes in the military, security, civilian, and or LE are tired of paying for renewals with our money and time.
    Some of us have not renewed due to Covid and refuse to spend a penny more.
    Since I have had enough handgun training to last four lifetimes, perhaps John Bell should require people like me to take a refresher course on crew served weapons like the M2 or MK-19?
    I took the chp class a long time ago. Couldn't go through with it because of the extra costs plus the extra bs about all the extra paperwork for my divorce. Now I'd have to completely retrain and pay all over again. Plus still have to supply all the extra paperwork. I've been open carrying when I felt like I needed to, because I know what kind of **** is be in if I needed to use my firearm and was carrying concealed illegally. This bill passing would be a great thing for me and all the others like me
     

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    How about 2 or 3? or maybe 4? I believe the limit is .05 for a CHP carrying. Do you actually have a CHP?
    What if you are carrying at home? Do you follow the letter of the law? Make sure you are below .05 to defend your family?

    Do you believe that govt grants rights?
     
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    John_

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    What if you are carrying at home? Do you follow the letter of the law? Make sure you are below .05 to defend your family?

    Do you believe that govt grants rights?
    One, we are talking about a CHP in Louisiana. No, I do not conceal carry at home. Grant you, there is always a pistol 2 to 40 feet from my hands, condition one. I know I have read guys who are seriously paranoid and carry while mowing the lawn. Or anytime they are awake pretty much.

    From your statements above, you seem to think the government establishing or enforcing a blood alcohol level maximum to conceal carry violates your rights. So you would have no problem with a guy CC'ing while out eating pizza with the family and drinking 2 or 3 beers?
     

    John_

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    I don’t believe that one loses their God-given right to self defense if they choose to have an adult beverage after a long day, despite what the law says.

    I read this the first time around and let it pass but now I will ask you where is it written (or documented) "their God given right to self defense"? Or guys frequently type "God given right to carry a firearm". So where is this written? In the bible perhaps? Or maybe the US constitution? Or perhaps the Bill of Rights? Please furnish me a citation or reference so I can see it in print from a reputable source. Another words, prove it with a hyperlink or citation.

    Somebody who makes that sort of statement surely must believe in God. BC supposedly He grants you right to defend yourself. I have read the bible a couple times cover to cover and I have read nowhere within it where God states it is your right to own or carry a firearm.
     

    charlie12

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    One, we are talking about a CHP in Louisiana. No, I do not conceal carry at home. Grant you, there is always a pistol 2 to 40 feet from my hands, condition one. I know I have read guys who are seriously paranoid and carry while mowing the lawn. Or anytime they are awake pretty much.

    From your statements above, you seem to think the government establishing or enforcing a blood alcohol level maximum to conceal carry violates your rights. So you would have no problem with a guy CC'ing while out eating pizza with the family and drinking 2 or 3 beers?
    I CC while I'm cutting grass and have for a long time. Probably 10 years ago a man in Central was cutting his grass was robbed and sprayed in his yard. A few years ago my cousin that lives 3 houses down from me was murdered while spraying his ditch by the guy that was killing people working in their yards in East Feliciana. My cousin was the one he killed in EBR. The day before he killed him I was riding my mower down the road to cut another cousins grass. That was about a 1/4 mile ride he could have shot me. But I do have a CHP and I carry.
     

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    I read this the first time around and let it pass but now I will ask you where is it written (or documented) "their God given right to self defense"? Or guys frequently type "God given right to carry a firearm". So where is this written? In the bible perhaps? Or maybe the US constitution? Or perhaps the Bill of Rights? Please furnish me a citation or reference so I can see it in print from a reputable source. Another words, prove it with a hyperlink or citation.

    Somebody who makes that sort of statement surely must believe in God. BC supposedly He grants you right to defend yourself. I have read the bible a couple times cover to cover and I have read nowhere within it where God states it is your right to own or carry a firearm.
    Same place it is written in the Constitution that your rights don’t exist anymore after a brewski
     

    John_

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    I CC while I'm cutting grass and have for a long time. Probably 10 years ago a man in Central was cutting his grass was robbed and sprayed in his yard. A few years ago my cousin that lives 3 houses down from me was murdered while spraying his ditch by the guy that was killing people working in their yards in East Feliciana. My cousin was the one he killed in EBR. The day before he killed him I was riding my mower down the road to cut another cousins grass. That was about a 1/4 mile ride he could have shot me. But I do have a CHP and I carry.
    Damn, that is is pretty bad. Seems warranted. Its not that bad in my area yet. Getting worse every day for sure, just look at the news from NOLA every single day. Murders and shootings, car jackings, robberies, you name it. People waiting an hour+ for a NOPD response to violent crime, or a recording when calling 911.
     

    John_

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    Same place it is written in the Constitution that your rights don’t exist anymore after a brewski
    Another words, you can't prove sh*t. You can't even prove the right you claim to hold so prized.

    You regurgitate something you have not even validated or read yourself.
     

    Horrible

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    Another words, you can't prove sh*t. You can't even prove the right you claim to hold so prized.

    You regurgitate something you have not even validated or read yourself.
    Prove what my rights? The Constitution enumerates rights that the govt has. Anything and everything else is reserved for the people. I am assumed to have rights until proven otherwise NOT the opposite! Please read the 10th Amendment
     

    Horrible

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    Another words, you can't prove sh*t. You can't even prove the right you claim to hold so prized.

    You regurgitate something you have not even validated or read yourself.
    God-given rights? How bout the ole Declaration of Independence?

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” (Declaration of Independence).

    You have more rights than you may think. Don’t let the media and popular culture these days fool you!
     

    Fugum

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    I know I have read guys who are seriously paranoid and carry while mowing the lawn. Or anytime they are awake pretty much.


    I'm one of those paranoid ones you've read about, I guess. I carry concealed when I'm awake, unless it's an illegal place, courthouse, post office, etc. I do occasionally open carry, but only at home.

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