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GunRelated · Feb 2, 2024

riverrat66 said:
Forget the law. I have a probation officer in my family. She said to call the probation officer and ask because a lot of those decisions are made at their own discretion. As long as you 2 are showing that you are trying to do the right thing you probably won’t have a problem.

Bottomlandlabs said:
Just as riverrat66 said. I asked my brother who is a P.O in Mississippi. He said there’s no violation unless something in her documents specifically mention it but depending on the mood of her PO they could give her a hard time about it

I can tell you right now, if I were to be prosecuted for a specific crime, that has specific consequences under the law, and I was given a set of "extra" consequences from an enforcement officer, we would have ourselves a good time in court.

thperez1972 · Feb 2, 2024

GunRelated said:
Seems like we've been down this road, a few times.
Just because a law exists, does not mean it is just. Everyone will have different interpretations of what is justified based on their life experiences and / or knowledge on the subject matter.

I understand. But saying a law is unjust does not make a law unjust. Saying something causes division does not mean something causes division. Either side of an issue feels their position is justified. And any division comes from either side not understanding why the other side won't agree with them. So just like you can explain how the people who want to keep the laws are the ones causing the decision, you can just as easily argue that it's the ones who want to change the laws that are causing the division.

GunRelated said:
However, dealing with the given example in particular, marijuana laws, it is very hard to consider any law against marijuana just, no matter your experience in the subject, so long as you hold the knowledge of the fact that
A) alcohol and other more dangerous substances are perfectly legal
B) it is a 100% naturally occurring substance with many positive / beneficial uses that far outweigh any negative effects
C) war on drugs - no further comment needed

The health benefits are being recognized more and more. States are legalizing marijuana for medical use. But I don't think that's why most people use that argument because it doesn't cover recreational use.

GunRelated · Feb 2, 2024

thperez1972 said:
I understand. But saying a law is unjust does not make a law unjust. Saying something causes division does not mean something causes division. Either side of an issue feels their position is justified. And any division comes from either side not understanding why the other side won't agree with them. So just like you can explain how the people who want to keep the laws are the ones causing the decision, you can just as easily argue that it's the ones who want to change the laws that are causing the division.

The health benefits are being recognized more and more. States are legalizing marijuana for medical use. But I don't think that's why most people use that argument because it doesn't cover recreational use.

Right on.

Ban alcohol. Let's ban alcohol, classify it as a schedule 1, then marijuana's legal status as (potentially) schedule 3 will be just. - not really, but at least it would make a tiny bit of sense

thperez1972 · Feb 2, 2024

The feds have been studying the effects of marijuana so maybe they will change their mind. I think the study was to learn the negative effects but so far they only found positive ones. There were as many as 14 people in the study who were receiving marijuana from the government but that number is down to 2 people. The study has only been going on since 1976 so they may need a little more time to reach a conclusion.

Four Americans Receive Marijuana From Federal Government

Four Americans are receiving marijuana from the federal government, the result of a 1976 court settlement, according to the Associated Press.

drugfree.org

AustinBR · Feb 2, 2024

Manimal said:
those consequences are unjust and cause distrust and division within society and over law enforcement. I understand your feelings, and if the laws were just I would agree.

But the important caveat is that everyone knows about the consequences before breaking the law.

Just because you classify a law as unjust does not give you a "hall pass" to not follow it.

I think that the speed limit on most of I49 (in Louisiana) and many parts of I10 is heavily dated and allows way too many speeding tickets, but if I get pulled over, that belief won't prevent the officer from giving me a ticket. I'd argue that many small cities have unjust traffic laws aimed at raising revenue. In these cases, I still slow down.

Users of recreational weed knowingly and intentionally broke the law. It is what it is.

GunRelated said:
Seems like we've been down this road, a few times.
Just because a law exists, does not mean it is just. Everyone will have different interpretations of what is justified based on their life experiences and / or knowledge on the subject matter.
However, dealing with the given example in particular, marijuana laws, it is very hard to consider any law against marijuana just, no matter your experience in the subject, so long as you hold the knowledge of the fact that
A) alcohol and other more dangerous substances are perfectly legal
B) it is a 100% naturally occurring substance with many positive / beneficial uses that far outweigh any negative effects
C) war on drugs - no further comment needed

I don't think too many people will argue that weed shouldn't be legal. But until it is, the laws on the books are still in effect.

GunRelated · Feb 2, 2024

AustinBR said:
But the important caveat is that everyone knows about the consequences before breaking the law.

Just because you classify a law as unjust does not give you a "hall pass" to not follow it.

I think that the speed limit on most of I49 (in Louisiana) and many parts of I10 is heavily dated and allows way too many speeding tickets, but if I get pulled over, that belief won't prevent the officer from giving me a ticket. I'd argue that many small cities have unjust traffic laws aimed at raising revenue. In these cases, I still slow down.

Users of recreational weed knowingly and intentionally broke the law. It is what it is.

I don't think too many people will argue that weed shouldn't be legal. But until it is, the laws on the books are still in effect.

My brother in Christ, we have an obligation as free people of "the greatest republic" ever founded, to not comply with any unjust law or application thereof.

T-boy · Feb 2, 2024

AustinBR said:
I don't think too many people will argue that weed shouldn't be legal. But until it is, the laws on the books are still in effect.

Guess this means we STILL can't sell the Wacky Tabackey on Marketplace???? :mamoru:

Bigchillin83 · Feb 2, 2024

So can we sell ar pistols with braces attached yet?

Jstudz220 · Feb 2, 2024

Bigchillin83 said:
So can we sell ar pistols with braces attached yet?

Pretty much what I got from it lol

thperez1972 · Feb 2, 2024

Bigchillin83 said:
So can we sell ar pistols with braces attached yet?

Nobody ever said you had to stop selling them.

AustinBR · Feb 2, 2024

GunRelated said:
My brother in Christ, we have an obligation as free people of "the greatest republic" ever founded, to not comply with any unjust law or application thereof.

And law enforcement has an obligation to arrest and prosecute those who willfully break the law. Choosing to not comply with a law that you disagree with does not make you immune to the consequences of your actions.

Manimal · Feb 2, 2024

AustinBR said:
And law enforcement has an obligation to arrest and prosecute those who willfully break the law. Choosing to not comply with a law that you disagree with does not make you immune to the consequences of your actions.

No, they don't; they have the discretion to do so.

Lokin4AReason · Feb 2, 2024

you two are good and clean as long she doeant have access to it
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jcbvh · Feb 3, 2024

AustinBR said:
It's hard to have sympathy for people who have knowingly and intentionally broken the law, especially knowing that it is enforced.

Whenever I speed, I am willing to accept the consequences of speeding. If someone possesses weed (that they likely bought from a dealer, not a dispensary) and gets caught with it, they should be willing to accept the consequences that you posted above.

Hypothetical.

Tomorrow all semi autos are banned, and you have to hand them over in 30 days.

In addition to this, ALL other firearms must be registered with the state AND federally, and you have 30 days to comply or face jail time.

Is this Just? Are you gonna comply? After all it’s the law now.

Im going to guess you would bow your head, get on your knees and comply. Your choice.

Your neighbor next door decides that these so called “laws” are “unjust” and decides to not comply. Some how the feds are tipped off that he supposedly has
Unregistered firearms, and they show up in force and haul him away never to see his family again potentially.

Still no sympathy or he had it coming because he should have been willing to accept the consequences because a group of rouge sociopaths decided him having the right to protect himself was a right he no longer should have.

I dont expect you to answer any of these questions openly. I wouldn't, but we have a bunch of incompetent, self preserving, double standard, narrsasistic psychopaths running this country, and the scenario above is becoming potential reality daily.

Gator 45/70 · Feb 3, 2024

Where's Waldo?
dude hasn't been back posting or I can't find it.
We asked What was she convicted off.
Pictures or mugshot
all we get is the fickle finger of fate award?

Akajun · Feb 3, 2024

Last I checked, max sentence on a misdemeanor was 1 year and you can’t be sentenced to probation for longer than your sentence
Prob not a misdemeanor for 2 years
Likely what they used to call a relative felony

hunter5567 · Feb 3, 2024

"Where's Waldo?
dude hasn't been back posting or I can't find it.
We asked What was she convicted off.
Pictures or mugshot
all we get is the fickle finger of fate award?"

I'm guessing he learned his lesson not to air your dirty laundry on here. We will run it up a flagpole and salute it, lol !!!

Fordfella · Feb 3, 2024

AustinBR said:
And law enforcement has an obligation to arrest and prosecute those who willfully break the law.

There is no such obligation!!

Police Have No Obligation To Protect Citizens

Most people think that the police have an obligation ("duty") to protect the citizens in the jurisdictions they serve. Many police forces even have a motto along the lines of "To Protect and Serve." The unfortunate reality is that the police are under no obligation to protect you. The police do...

trafficlawguys.com

thperez1972 · Feb 3, 2024

Fordfella said:
AustinBR said:

And law enforcement has an obligation to arrest and prosecute those who willfully break the law.

Click to expand...

There is no such obligation!!

Police Have No Obligation To Protect Citizens

Most people think that the police have an obligation ("duty") to protect the citizens in the jurisdictions they serve. Many police forces even have a motto along the lines of "To Protect and Serve." The unfortunate reality is that the police are under no obligation to protect you. The police do...

trafficlawguys.com

Sigh. The court case in the article does not have to do with having an obligation to take legal action.

Did you even read the article you linked to? Even the article, albeit at the end, provides a quote that explains the error in the title of the article. The ruling doesn't say they don't have a duty to protect citizens.

"The Supreme Court of the United States explained that it is a 'fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'"

Gator 45/70 · Feb 3, 2024

hunter5567 said:
"Where's Waldo?
dude hasn't been back posting or I can't find it.
We asked What was she convicted off.
Pictures or mugshot
all we get is the fickle finger of fate award?"

I'm guessing he learned his lesson not to air your dirty laundry on here. We will run it up a flagpole and salute it, lol !!!

That's what makes for a great conservation piece. Glad she's not a high dollar hooker!

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