Corvette Racer
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Any machine shops in the BR, NO, Northshore area that finish 80% lowers? How much do they charge?
Thanks,
Thanks,
80% Lower Completion
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More specifically, they would need an 07.
Corvette Racer
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I read an article on ARFCOM that stated as long as YOU press the start button, YOU are making the weapon and the shop is in the clear. You just can't sell it.
I have seen the same thing a couple of times
I'm not sure as to the truth to it, since I haven't dealt with it personally, but I heard first hand that one interpretation is that if a firearm part is made on the premises of the business, ANY part, and the insurance company finds out, they could cancel the policy. Again, I'm not sure as to the truth of that, but it does sound plausible.
jasonj5313
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While I am sure that would be a good defense. Would anyone like to try the atf on this?
I wouldn't.
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Well thats wrong.
First you certainly can sell them. They must be marked with who and where and a ser# if I remember right.
Second, Yes, you can push the button but they would still need an 07 FFL. Thats not what you asked though.
Lots of people finish 80% lowers and you don't need a CNC. I know someone who did it with a wood router and did it well.
I live in Metairie and need help with this too. I am planning on buying a NDS 80% A1 lower for a retro build. If someone owns the equipment needed, and could walk me though the process, I would certainly appreciate the help.
I have a few 100% lowers, and it's not like I want an 80% so I can hide it from the government, in fact I was planning to Form 1 it. I wanted to use a 80% for ideal engraving placement. I was want to build an Israeli M16A1 style rifle. I can't afford the $$$ for a real M16 and the only A1 profiled 100% lowers I have seen are from Nodak spud, and they obviously have their info engraved on the side. I wanted one that lookes like a genuine colt, with my Trust info place near the trigger to keep it out of the way.
While people may have completed 80% lowers with a dremel, I don't think I am one of those people. I would definitely need someone showing me how it is done step by step. I know I could always build one on a 100% A2 lower, or a 100% NDS A1 lower and it would be 99% correct, but I am kind of anal about perfection, and know it would constantly bug me.
While people may have completed 80% lowers with a dremel, I don't think I am one of those people. I would definitely need someone showing me how it is done step by step. I know I could always build one on a 100% A2 lower, or a 100% NDS A1 lower and it would be 99% correct, but I am kind of anal about perfection, and know it would constantly bug me.
I have never done an 80% or built an AR for that matter. I have found that some people can make these tasks look simple and then I try and get significantly different results. I run a CNC lathe every day but have difficulty with the "freehand machining" and other stuff. I have great difficulty drawing a picture of what I need. When I look at the guns from late 1800's to early 1900's, I am awestruck by the craftsmanship employed to achieve that product because that was mostly handmade with hand tools.
I realized after responding that this thread is almost two years old.
I realized after responding that this thread is almost two years old.
audioshooter
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you can't legally sell an 80% that you finished. you would need an 07 for that. You are free to sell them as long as they are 80%. ATF just released a clarification on this.
That is not correct but what rockmup said is.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly
"Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future."
I will assume you don't have a CNC or mill. A drill press has been used as a makeshift mill but that is not ideal for an aluminum lower because a drill is not designed for side to side forces, only up and down. I recommend using the router based method, specifically the Easy Jig from 80% Arms. Maybe wait until Black Friday and I think they will have a 10% off coupon.
Videos of the Easy Jig in use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozNGFRvo0gE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiHdV5slQps
Review of the Easy Jig:
http://80percents.com/80_lower_easy_jig.html
Do you have an ETA on the NDS Retro 80% lower? Is the Israeli M16A1 an SBR?
Thanks for the info. I'll wait until black Friday and see if they have a sale. I didn't grow up fixing or building things, so my skills are low. My dad may have a router I can borrow. NDS emailed me last week letting me know the 80% lowers were available. I haven't paid for one yet, since I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to finish the project. Maybe I should put in the order to make sure I have it.
The Israelis Don't waste so they use whatever they have but a stereotypical Israeli m16 would be a A1 lower/upper with a CAR or M4 stock. Ocassionaly you will see an A1 stock. You also ocassionaly see flat top uppers. I think most of the barrels are 20in 1:12 barrels cut down to 13in. I'm not sure what they use when the old barrels get shot out. Maybe they have lots of them.
The Israelis Don't waste so they use whatever they have but a stereotypical Israeli m16 would be a A1 lower/upper with a CAR or M4 stock. Ocassionaly you will see an A1 stock. You also ocassionaly see flat top uppers. I think most of the barrels are 20in 1:12 barrels cut down to 13in. I'm not sure what they use when the old barrels get shot out. Maybe they have lots of them.
