Literally about the same time as it would to hit the bolt release.Takes all of 1 second to pull the CH.
Literally about the same time as it would to hit the bolt release.Takes all of 1 second to pull the CH.
Literally about the same time as it would to hit the bolt release.
Actually motor agreed with what I originally suggested. Did you even read the thread? I was agreeing with what you said but seems like every time I post you’re just looking for something to pick. Maybe go back and read post #13.one is way safer. motor51 answered your suggestion. A pothole, or simply bump the bolt release and not realize it. why do you zealots emphasize/stress cops should store their AR-15 in condition 1, or the bolt locked back?
It takes all of a second to work the CH and chamber a round. maybe a half second for a well trained officer.
yeah I read #13 yesterday but got you confused with kevin. Then you seemingly agreed with him in post #21 above. Start a poll here and see how many LEOs ride around shift after shift, SOP, with the BCG locked back on their AR15 and a mag inserted.Actually motor agreed with what I originally suggested. Did you even read the thread? I was agreeing with what you said but seems like every time I post you’re just looking for something to pick. Maybe go back and read post #13.
The common argument for guys who leave the bolt back is it’s faster to charge the gun. I was stating it’s about the same time as just using the charging handle leaving the bolt forward and leaving the bolt forward is much safer without a round chambered.
I was agreeing with you in post 21. Not sure where your confusion came from. Again the common argument is it’s faster to hit the bolt release. I was stating it’s about the same time.yeah I read #13 yesterday but got you confused with kevin. Then you seemingly agreed with him in post #21 above. Start a poll here and see how many LEOs ride around shift after shift, SOP, with the BCG locked back on their AR15 and a mag inserted.
Not at all !! I think discussing the matter helps so that others that aren't sure get a better understanding of the matter. We just need to keep it civilized.Damn. Didn't realize asking a question would cause so much of a dispute. I'm sorry guys. Lol
I don’t think their was ever really a dispute but just some confusion.Damn. Didn't realize asking a question would cause so much of a dispute. I'm sorry guys. Lol
wait it doesnt? i lived my whole life on that man... if your not first your last!!!!I’m just glad someone didn’t say don’t leave the bolt back because it would cause the buffer spring to loose tension lol. That would have opened up a whole different can of worms.
wait it doesnt? i lived my whole life on that man... if your not first your last!!!!
I don’t keep that in mind because I’m not a LEO. After some thought, I can understand why they might have that policy though. But grabbing an empty gun with no mag…. He could have grabbed the tire iron and been just as effective, lol. On a positive note, 12ga cruisers can’t lose a magazine.Keep in mind long guns aren’t primary weapons for LEO’s. It’s only something they utilize in certain situations.
Well I’m not a LEO either but I do know when I see a police men I don’t see them walking around with AR’s slung around their shoulders lol. I can see where the thought comes from though being a civilian who carries a gun most of us would never think of carrying without one in the chamber.I don’t keep that in mind because I’m not a LEO. After some thought, I can understand why they might have that policy though. But grabbing an empty gun with no mag…. He could have grabbed the tire iron and been just as effective, lol. On a positive note, 12ga cruisers can’t lose a magazine.
True, a 12 ga can be a devastating weapon, especially for CQB. But, that does bring up a question about how to carry the shotgun in the vehicle? Of course, no round in the chamber, but how many in the magazine (tubular)? There are drawbacks, especially in our climate. We found (NOPD) that after an extended time in the trunk of a Unit, where summer temps can get crispy, the plastic shells in the magazine tend to soften a bit. Compound this with extreme spring pressure pushing against them in a fully loaded tube magazine (5 rounds, or 7 in extended), the shells tended to swell to the point where they would not feed in the magazine. Being squished (technical term) end to end by the very strong spring and follower had negative effects on the unfired rounds. SO, when you exited the unit, grabbed you shotgun from the trunk and racked the slide, no shell got chambered because they were swollen and jammed in the magazine. That's when "transition to your sidearm" training comes into play again.I don’t keep that in mind because I’m not a LEO. After some thought, I can understand why they might have that policy though. But grabbing an empty gun with no mag…. He could have grabbed the tire iron and been just as effective, lol. On a positive note, 12ga cruisers can’t lose a magazine.
Being a POST Firearms Instructor with my Dept, we NEVER advise that the Deputies carry the rifle (AR Platform) with a round in the chamber. They are instructed to carry it with bolt forward on an empty chamber, and a loaded mag inserted. Properly trained Officers will charge their rifle when exiting their unit. Can't say what they actually do. When they arrive at the Range/Training Facility, I instruct them to step to the firing line, clear their rifle, and place it in the rifle rack with the bolt locked to the rear, and weapon on safe.
I have yet to see one Deputy remove a live round from the chamber when they clear their rifle, so apparently they are following our instructions by not having a round in the chamber. And they DO NOT clear their weapons at their vehicle, they move to the firing line to do so.
Also, we train them to retain their weapon (not ditch it). That's why we issue a sling. The POST Patrol Rifle Qualification Course includes a transition to sidearm to fire two rounds when the rifle runs dry. This is accomplished by attempting to engage the target, which the rifle "clicks" on an empty chamber, then the Deputy (Officer) slinging the rifle, drawing their sidearm and firing two shots center mass in 5 seconds from the 4 yard line.
So what’s the solution to this other than swapping out the ammo more frequently. I’ve always been taught that if you’re storing a shotgun cruiser ready to keep the magazine downloaded by one round. For example if it’s a 7 round tube only load 6 rounds into it.True, a 12 ga can be a devastating weapon, especially for CQB. But, that does bring up a question about how to carry the shotgun in the vehicle? Of course, no round in the chamber, but how many in the magazine (tubular)? There are drawbacks, especially in our climate. We found (NOPD) that after an extended time in the trunk of a Unit, where summer temps can get crispy, the plastic shells in the magazine tend to soften a bit. Compound this with extreme spring pressure pushing against them in a fully loaded tube magazine (5 rounds, or 7 in extended), the shells tended to swell to the point where they would not feed in the magazine. Being squished (technical term) end to end by the very strong spring and follower had negative effects on the unfired rounds. SO, when you exited the unit, grabbed you shotgun from the trunk and racked the slide, no shell got chambered because they were swollen and jammed in the magazine. That's when "transition to your sidearm" training comes into play again.
Only saw it a time or two, fortunately only in training, but happening once in an "oh crap" situation could be a bad day for the good guys.
Weapon maintenance, checking your ammo, and don't over load your mag could make the difference.
So what’s the solution to this other than swapping out the ammo more frequently. I’ve always been taught that if you’re storing a shotgun cruiser ready to keep the magazine downloaded by one round. For example if it’s a 7 round tube only load 6 rounds into it.
Unless I’m missing something it seems like that’s the only option. Unless of course you can find duty/department approved ammo with brass shells which I don’t think exist.