HK P30: Which variant for competions?

[Tulse Luper]

Tile says it all. Which trigger variant would be best for USPSA, steel, etc. competitions. Also intend to have the trigger worked in the future.

P30 only please. I'm not looking for suggestion on other guns to use. Thanks.

 

[Tulse Luper]

I don't see the point in the decocker versions, but if someone want to defend them for competition please do.

 

[spanky]

if they have a DAO, that one.

 

[Tulse Luper]

if they have a DAO, that one.

There's a few DAO's

HK P30 (basic version): exposed two-part hammer with spur. Hammer actually consists of an internal cocking piece which is connected to the main spring, and the hammer itself. After each shot, cocking piece stays cocked, and hammer remains lowered, providing maximum safety and low DA-type trigger pull; cocking piece can be decocked by pressing of the decocker button, located at the rear of the slide, next to the hammer. Trigger pull is 20N (2 kg / 4,5 lbs) in DA mode (cocking piece stays cocked after previous shot) or 51N ( 5,2 kg / 11,4 lbs) if internal cocking piece was lowered using decocker button .
HK P30 V1: same as P30, but hammer has no spur, and there is no decocker button; therefore, the only way to release the cocked mainspring is to pull the trigger over the empty chamber
HK P30 V2: same as V1 but trigger pull is increased to 32,5N ( 3,3 kg / 7,3 lbs)
HK P30 V3: conventional DA / SA unit with single-piece hammer and decocker button at the rear of the slide, next to the hammer. Trigger pull forces same as for basic P30 variant.
HK P30 V4: same as V1 but trigger pull is increased to 27,5N ( 2,8 kg / 6,1 lbs)
HK P30 V5: conventional DAO trigger with spurless single-piece hammer and no decocker. Trigger pull is 36N ( 3,7 kg / 8,1 lbs)
HK P30 V6: same as V5 but trigger pull is increased to 39N ( 4kg / 8,8 lbs)

I'm assuming the lightest DAO would be the best. Looks like V1, right?

 

[BayouSlide]

Which division? The P30 9mm is on the approved list for Production, as long as it is double action. If it's DA/SA it must be decocked at the start after "Load and Make Ready" so the first shot is DA.

If you want to shoot Limited or Limited 10, run whichever P30 you like.

Have to admit, I get a little confused by all those HK variations.

 

[JBP55]

LEM.

 

[Tulse Luper]

Which division? The P30 9mm is on the approved list for Production, as long as it is double action. If it's DA/SA it must be decocked at the start after "Load and Make Ready" so the first shot is DA.

If you want to shoot Limited or Limited 10, run whichever P30 you like.

Have to admit, I get a little confused by all those HK variations.

Me too, but I think I'm working it out. Defiantly production, so DAO.

 

[Tulse Luper]

So let me just check here. V1 LEM is the lightest DAO for the P30. That's the one I want to shoot production, I think.

 

[BayouSlide]

HK P30 V1: same as P30, but hammer has no spur, and there is no decocker button; therefore, the only way to release the cocked mainspring is to pull the trigger over the empty chamber

If I understand this correctly, you would not be able to lower the hammer over a loaded chamber. This would make you unable to comply with the starting procedure for Production, so this would be OK for Limited or L10 only. And if you're shooting Limited, no reason for DAO...it's a handicap.

This version would seem to be a red headed stepchild for USPSA competition.

Again, I'm not familiar with all the HK models but for Production, it would seem you need either a DAO version or DA/SA with a decocker.

 

[BayouSlide]

This may help. Here is the approved list for Production for HK models. If the model is not named on this list, it's not currently legal.

"HK45 45ACP (31.96 oz.), HK45 Compact 45ACP (28.16 oz.), P 30L 9mm (27.52 oz.), P2000 (22 oz.), P30 9mm (25.52 oz.), P7 (28 oz.), P8 (25.27 oz.), USP 45 Auto (30.4 oz.), USP 9mm (27.04 oz.), USP Compact 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact .40 S&W (26.4 oz.), USP Compact 45 Auto (28.16 oz.), USP Compact Stainless 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact Tactical .45 (30.08 oz.), USP Tactical 40 .40 S&W (32.32 oz.), USP Tactical 45 .45acp (32.48 oz.), USP Tactical 9mm (29.11 oz.), USP40 .40S&W (29.11 oz.), USP9SD 9mm (28.16 oz.)
Tactical models in DAO only. DAO DA/SA models only. USP Expert and Combat Competition not allowed due to magwell."

 

[Tulse Luper]

This may help. Here is the approved list for Production for HK models. If the model is not named on this list, it's not currently legal.

"HK45 45ACP (31.96 oz.), HK45 Compact 45ACP (28.16 oz.), P 30L 9mm (27.52 oz.), P2000 (22 oz.), P30 9mm (25.52 oz.), P7 (28 oz.), P8 (25.27 oz.), USP 45 Auto (30.4 oz.), USP 9mm (27.04 oz.), USP Compact 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact .40 S&W (26.4 oz.), USP Compact 45 Auto (28.16 oz.), USP Compact Stainless 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact Tactical .45 (30.08 oz.), USP Tactical 40 .40 S&W (32.32 oz.), USP Tactical 45 .45acp (32.48 oz.), USP Tactical 9mm (29.11 oz.), USP40 .40S&W (29.11 oz.), USP9SD 9mm (28.16 oz.)
Tactical models in DAO only. DAO DA/SA models only. USP Expert and Combat Competition not allowed due to magwell."

Cool, so according to that the P30 in any configuration is good, unless I ain't getting something?

I thing I'm still a little confused.

 

[BayouSlide]

ONLY if it's a P30 or P30L version in DAO or DA/SA with a decocker. That's important. The LEM trigger is a variant: I'm not sure whether it is classified as either of those two. I checked on any rulings on the LEM by the NROI. Couldn't find any. I'll dig around a little more for you.

HK are really not common in USPSA: maybe you're starting to see why

Without a ruling from the head of NROI, I would not buy a LEM to run in Production. You can e-mail him at jamidon1@twcny.rr.com.

 

[Tulse Luper]

ONLY if it's a P30 or P30L version in DAO or DA/SA with a decocker. That's important. The LEM trigger is a variant: I'm not sure whether it is classified as either of those two. I checked on any rulings on the LEM by the NROI. Couldn't find any. I'll dig around a little more for you.

HK are really not common in USPSA: maybe you're starting to see why

Without a ruling from the head of NROI, I would not buy a LEM to run in Production. You can e-mail him at jamidon1@twcny.rr.com.

Damn, I just found a post back in Feb. on Enos that says it's not allowed in production. I'll use the email.

Thanks

 

[BayouSlide]

I think I found something: it appears that the LEM trigger is not considered a true DAO and that when it came out in 2006, competitors were required to remove it before competing in that year's Nationals, according to some info I found on the Enos forum.

That's also in line with what I recall reading elsewhere. And that would explain why the LEM trigger is not mentioned by name as approved. It's DAO-ish but not true DAO, IIRC.

 

[BayouSlide]

The 3-Gun Nationals are still running so it may take a bit before he gets back with you on this. Post his response for our mutual education, if you don't mind.

 

[spanky]

A Glock 34 is a pretty sweet P30 variant.

 

[Tulse Luper]

A Glock 34 is a pretty sweet P30 variant.

I handled a P30 today. It's like Divinci designed just for me. You can have your ergonomically challenged P34

 

[dwr461]

Holy sh!t they got every version imaginable. I had no idea! Bayouslide and others have already answered the question.

Dave