New Orleans City Council passes unsecured guns ordinance

[AndyG]

The way this is worded, if juveniles break into my home or car and steal a gun, I'm guilty of a crime.

My thoughts exactly. Seems odd a city which can’t find the time to investigate property crime now seeks the right to investigate/prosecute victims of property crime.

 

[Buster_Lee]

We once took my step-son's Playstation away, but he snooped while we were out of the house and found it and hid it in his room. We discovered this and I locked it in the gun safe. He snooped even further until he found the extra key, and once again regained his Playstation. On discovering this, it was put in my sea bag with a combination lock, no key to find, right? He was ballsy enough to just cut the sea bag open. I ended up putting it in the trunk of the car so it left with me every day.

My point is that a law like this, like most laws, can't account for all circumstances, and ultimately is just there to make someone feel like they've done something to punish someone after an incident rather than actually preventing anything.

Your stepson does this because he knows there are no consequences. He runs the household.
He would have learned a lesson had you had calmly destroyed the device, in front of him, letting him know that his choices led to this action.

 

[Kraut]

He destroyed your property and you honored the "sanctity" of his. Sounds like you should have "cut" his playstation open with a hammer in front of him.

Did I miss the part about his mom whipping his ass?

That’s what I was looking for in the story.

Your stepson does this because he knows there are no consequences. He runs the household.
He would have learned a lesson had you had calmly destroyed the device, in front of him, letting him know that his choices led to this action.

I typed "step-son" as that is what he became later and still is now (he's 37, this was when he was 12), but forgetting that at that time he was not, we were not married yet and only recently living together. I didn't buy it for him, and it wasn't mine to destroy at that point, although I recall stating that I would do exactly that. Beginning physical discipline at a late stage of childhood doesn't work, if he didn't get the wooden spoon/belt/switch young enough to learn to fear it, which he didn't (before my watch), it's just a beating. It would take a dedicated thread to unpack all the issues with my step-son.

 

[Buster_Lee]

I typed "step-son" as that is what he became later and still is now (he's 37, this was when he was 12), but forgetting that at that time he was not, we were not married yet and only recently living together. I didn't buy it for him, and it wasn't mine to destroy at that point, although I recall stating that I would do exactly that. Beginning physical discipline at a late stage of childhood doesn't work, if he didn't get the wooden spoon/belt/switch young enough to learn to fear it, which he didn't (before my watch), it's just a beating. It would take a dedicated thread to unpack all the issues with my step-son.

I had a step son of my own and I get it, completely.

 

[RaleighReloader]

At the risk of offending some here, I see both sides of this issue.

Unsecured firearms in vehicles is a source of firearms for criminals. And while I agree 100% that we should be able to trust people to not mess with our private property, common sense dictates that an unsecured firearm in the hands of a criminal is a threat to all of us.

I don't agree in laws that would punish victims of theft, but I do think that most people that leave an unsecured firearm in their vehicle should be soundly chastised. I really wish that more gun owners would bone up and take their guns inside when they're not in their car/truck/whatever—especially when they live in urban areas where late night "door hand pulling" is a thing.

As the security liaison for our local civic association, I'm astonished at how many people leave guns in their vehicles, don't lock their vehicles, and then shrug their shoulders when their vehicle is rummaged through and their gun taken. Like, seriously?

The argument that the second amendment obviates any possible gun regulation is just stupid, and it makes gun owners look like a bunch of collective idiots. A far more effective argument is to oppose laws that criminalize victims of crime, *and* to put funding into high quality firearms education that can be made available to as wide a swath of the population as possible.

Mike