(UPDATED APRIL 2024) Sale of Braced AR Pistols on BayouShooter

[thperez1972]

Was this solved?

I have to assume he decided to not pursue the issue. He never sent me a PM.

 

[Dishonored]

I have to assume he decided to not pursue the issue. He never sent me a PM.

There you go with those assumptions again…

I spoke with 340six and Austin privately. There wasn’t a need to send you a PM.

 

[Born4spd]

Fleshlight is peak buffer tube cover.

 

[Cheesy Lasagna]

Fleshlight is peak buffer tube cover.

Well then, there is that.

 

[thperez1972]

There you go with those assumptions again…

I spoke with 340six and Austin privately. There wasn’t a need to send you a PM.

Of course I made an assumption. You made a post. I replied to the post. Your very next post, less than an hour later, indicated you were sending a pm. Assuming that post meant you were continuing the discussion through pm with the person replying to your post given no other context clues is the most reasonable assumption. It would certainly be unreasonable to assume you sent a pm to Austin based on his public post asking if the situation had been resolved. And it would also be unreasonable to assume you sent a pm to 340six as he has not participated in this thread. In fact, I don't believe his name has even been mentioned in this thread until you just mentioned it. So yeah, I made an assumption.

 

[Bigchillin83]

You guys

 

[Dishonored]

Of course I made an assumption. You made a post. I replied to the post. Your very next post, less than an hour later, indicated you were sending a pm. Assuming that post meant you were continuing the discussion through pm with the person replying to your post given no other context clues is the most reasonable assumption. It would certainly be unreasonable to assume you sent a pm to Austin based on his public post asking if the situation had been resolved. And it would also be unreasonable to assume you sent a pm to 340six as he has not participated in this thread. In fact, I don't believe his name has even been mentioned in this thread until you just mentioned it. So yeah, I made an assumption.

Rather than continue a pissing match… I digress.
Thanks for clarifying; that it was indeed an assumption.

 

[Bigchillin83]

Rather than continue a pissing match… I digress.
Thanks for clarifying; that it was indeed an assumption.

Now y’all got me making assumptions here…

 

[Magdump]

 

[Cat Hearder]

It's almost like we were exploiting loopholes this whole time. Good thing we had presidents like Reagan, that "conservatives" seem to adore so much. At least he made sure to close a lot of the loopholes, keeping America safe from those evil machine guns. And Trump, let's not forget about daddy Trump closing that bumpstock loophole.

Some of y'all should move to the UK, you'd fit in real well over there.

Technically, when the initial clarification letter on the brace came out. Many people were skeptical that it would last a few months. Part of the original letter stated it was not to be used to “shoulder” but as a support fir a pistol. You tube videos of everyone and their brother firing their “pistols” on tactical courses and a new communist regeim is what drive the change. I agree as everyone here. It sucks and our Rights are being infringed, but I will also reapect the moderators and this forum because it allows us all a place to keep in touch and be monitored by the 3 letter agencies … not sure how much I like the last part, but all of know everything we post is monitored.

 

[RT8]

Lord help our Country!

Amen

 

[sinstickk]

Not to beat a dead horse, and I read the first two pages and went to the last before I posted this, but has there been any alterations to this mod rule since the injunction through 6th circuit for certain members of certain groups?

 

[thperez1972]

Not to beat a dead horse, and I read the first two pages and went to the last before I posted this, but has there been any alterations to this mod rule since the injunction through 6th circuit for certain members of certain groups?

No. That would add an additional duty to the volunteer staff, verifying membership in specific groups. I think the current method is reasonable with minimal added work to the poster. Instead of one ad for a braced pistol, make one ad for the pistol and one ad for the brace. You are welcome to put a link in your ad to all of your other ads. Or you can list all of your ads in your sig. If your ads include both a pistol and a brace, it's all good. What you can't do is somehow imply that the sale of one is dependent on or included with the other. But if a buyer chooses to buy multiple, separate items from you, we're not going to judge.

 

[J2K]

New Injunction Issued Against the ATF Pistol Brace Rule

The case, Mock v. Garland, challenged the ATF’s pistol brace rule that effectively banned pistols equipped with stabilizing braces.

www.ammoland.com

A federal judge in Texas has issued a new preliminary injunction for Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) members and Maxim Defense against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Final Rule (Final Rule 2021R-08F) on pistol stabilizing devices.

 

[KeenanLouviere]

Hi Everyone,

After the public discussion this week following numerous reported posts, we have decided to prohibit the sale of braced, unregistered SBRs (AR Pistols) on the forum. While we do not agree with the ATF ruling in any way and hope it is quickly repealed, we have always asked that all site users follow all applicable laws in their jurisdiction whenever utilizing the forum. Under the ATF ruling, it is currently illegal for FFLs to sell braced rifles with barrels shorter than 16", unless registered as an NFA item. In the near future, it will be illegal to possess a braced AR pistol that is not registered as an NFA item. As such, effective immediately, we will ask that users do not post or attempt to buy/sell unregistered, braced AR pistols on the forum.

We will not be doing any form of lookback or removing AR pistol posts that have been listed over the past years as there are simply too many, most of which are likely not for sale anymore.

Going forward, we will prohibit the posting or the bumping (replying to) of ads for braced AR pistols*. This is effective immediately.

If you have a braced AR pistol that you would like to sell, we encourage you to follow one of two paths:
1) Remove the brace. Make a for-sale (WTS or WTT) post for the brace. Separately, make an additional for-sale post for the AR Pistol. We will not allow posts that contain both items.
*2) Register the braced AR Pistol as an NFA item. You may then post that it is an NFA item for sale and then you must follow all applicable laws to do so. If we suspect that an account is attempting to illegally sell NFA items, we will follow the typical procedure of removing the post and the account, as we have for many years.

Again, I know no one agrees with the ATF decision. We certainly do not. But, as it stands it is the law and we intend to follow it on the forum.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to discuss below.

Thanks,
Austin

Does this include Sig MPX?

 

[thperez1972]

Does this include Sig MPX?

Is there a particular reason you believe this rule would not include a Sig MPX?

 

[NickC1]

Hi Everyone,

After the public discussion this week following numerous reported posts, we have decided to prohibit the sale of braced, unregistered SBRs (AR Pistols) on the forum. While we do not agree with the ATF ruling in any way and hope it is quickly repealed, we have always asked that all site users follow all applicable laws in their jurisdiction whenever utilizing the forum. Under the ATF ruling, it is currently illegal for FFLs to sell braced rifles with barrels shorter than 16", unless registered as an NFA item. In the near future, it will be illegal to possess a braced AR pistol that is not registered as an NFA item. As such, effective immediately, we will ask that users do not post or attempt to buy/sell unregistered, braced AR pistols on the forum.

We will not be doing any form of lookback or removing AR pistol posts that have been listed over the past years as there are simply too many, most of which are likely not for sale anymore.

Going forward, we will prohibit the posting or the bumping (replying to) of ads for braced AR pistols*. This is effective immediately.

If you have a braced AR pistol that you would like to sell, we encourage you to follow one of two paths:
1) Remove the brace. Make a for-sale (WTS or WTT) post for the brace. Separately, make an additional for-sale post for the AR Pistol. We will not allow posts that contain both items.
*2) Register the braced AR Pistol as an NFA item. You may then post that it is an NFA item for sale and then you must follow all applicable laws to do so. If we suspect that an account is attempting to illegally sell NFA items, we will follow the typical procedure of removing the post and the account, as we have for many years.

Again, I know no one agrees with the ATF decision. We certainly do not. But, as it stands it is the law and we intend to follow it on the forum.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to discuss below.

Thanks,
Aust

Hi Everyone,

After the public discussion this week following numerous reported posts, we have decided to prohibit the sale of braced, unregistered SBRs (AR Pistols) on the forum. While we do not agree with the ATF ruling in any way and hope it is quickly repealed, we have always asked that all site users follow all applicable laws in their jurisdiction whenever utilizing the forum. Under the ATF ruling, it is currently illegal for FFLs to sell braced rifles with barrels shorter than 16", unless registered as an NFA item. In the near future, it will be illegal to possess a braced AR pistol that is not registered as an NFA item. As such, effective immediately, we will ask that users do not post or attempt to buy/sell unregistered, braced AR pistols on the forum.

We will not be doing any form of lookback or removing AR pistol posts that have been listed over the past years as there are simply too many, most of which are likely not for sale anymore.

Going forward, we will prohibit the posting or the bumping (replying to) of ads for braced AR pistols*. This is effective immediately.

If you have a braced AR pistol that you would like to sell, we encourage you to follow one of two paths:
1) Remove the brace. Make a for-sale (WTS or WTT) post for the brace. Separately, make an additional for-sale post for the AR Pistol. We will not allow posts that contain both items.
*2) Register the braced AR Pistol as an NFA item. You may then post that it is an NFA item for sale and then you must follow all applicable laws to do so. If we suspect that an account is attempting to illegally sell NFA items, we will follow the typical procedure of removing the post and the account, as we have for many years.

Again, I know no one agrees with the ATF decision. We certainly do not. But, as it stands it is the law and we intend to follow it on the forum.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to discuss below.

Thanks,
Austin

ok

 

[whbonney26]

So are these back on the table now since the judge blocked the ATF on this?

 

[thperez1972]

So are these back on the table now since the judge blocked the ATF on this?

The rule is still in place. The judge only blocked the ATF from enforcing the rule during the court proceedings. The judge did not dismiss the rule nor did he declare the rule unconstitutional.

 

[Cheesy Lasagna]

So are these back on the table now since the judge blocked the ATF on this?

No.