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  • CatCam

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    I shot 100 rounds of .357 mag out of mine this morning - flawless.

    My Taurus 689:

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    RustyHammer

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    I've owned 7 Taurus handguns .. all wheel guns. Never had a functional problem with any of them, although, accuracy was not what I expected on a couple of them.
     

    RaleighReloader

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    I have owned several Taurus revolvers and pistols. All have been superb guns. My PT-111 G2 has a problem with one of the magazines dropping inadvertently, and I suspect that has to do with the rather narrow lip that holds the magazine in. I need to send it to Taurus ... just haven't gotten around to it yet. I have read online that other PT-111's have exhibited this problem, but I don't know to what extent.

    My Taurus wheel guns have always been flawless. So even if I was less than enthusiastic about having a Taurus pistol as a defensive carry weapon, I wouldn't hesitate to carry one of their wheel guns. My experience with those has been nothing but positive.

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    CatCam

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    I think Taurus gets a bad rep that is in most cases undeserving. Since the Taurus is usually a lower price than the others, it is often a first gun for the newbie. Since the newbie generally does not know how to properly shoot a gun AND does not know the proper maintenance and cleaning of the firearm they have "problems" -- when a more seasoned shooter buys this gun off of a newbie he "inherits" the problems. I know a few others that own Taurus revolvers that absolutely love them, I happen to fall in that number!
     
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    CUJOHUNTER

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    I have owned several Taurus revolvers and pistols. All have been superb guns. My PT-111 G2 has a problem with one of the magazines dropping inadvertently, and I suspect that has to do with the rather narrow lip that holds the magazine in. I need to send it to Taurus ... just haven't gotten around to it yet. I have read online that other PT-111's have exhibited this problem, but I don't know to what extent.

    My Taurus wheel guns have always been flawless. So even if I was less than enthusiastic about having a Taurus pistol as a defensive carry weapon, I wouldn't hesitate to carry one of their wheel guns. My experience with those has been nothing but positive.

    Mike

    The gen1 PT111s had issues....mag release and faulty firing pin to name a few issues. There is a current recall on those models. The G2 (gen2 PT111) fixed allot of those issues but still had the mag release problem. The recent G2C fixed the mag release problem and enhanced the trigger blade. The double action trigger is still long but not creepy. It has a clean break at the end and a very short reset. All in all, the G2C is an improvement of the G2. My previous G2 displayed no problems with over 1000 rounds and now my brother owns it and still functioning flawlessly. I recently picked up a G2C but still need to get around to shooting it.
     
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    KDerekT83

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    I've bought and sold several Taurus pistols. The small TCP380 I had was the only one I couldn't get to act right. tried polishing the feed ramp, doing the mag modification on found on youtube, etc... I couldn't for the life of me, get it to feed correctly. All other Taurus pistols I've had though worked great.
     

    jdessell

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    Had a couple Taurus guns. One Mil-Pro 9mm and a .38 revolver. Revolver seemed ok. The semi auto broke a guide rod (plastic) 30 rounds in. Taurus sent me a new one free of charge but the experience left me with a feeling of less than confident in their products.
     

    AZ2VET

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    I have a C9, bought it new. Had a few misfeeds in the first 3 mags that I figure was the factory coating on the feed ramp. Since then it has run about 200 rounds without a problem.
     

    frhunter13

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    The Taurus revolvers I have had have been every bit as good as the Ruger's and the S&W's and the Charter Arms hung in there as well. Rossi - Argh not so much.
     

    Fitz07joe

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    i trust taurus , have many revolvers and a 709 slim , all very reliable and the slim takes what ever ammo i throw at it. have a similar Kimber that jams with certain ammo and cost twice as much, have 2 85 models myself
     

    RaleighReloader

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    The gen1 PT111s had issues....mag release and faulty firing pin to name a few issues. There is a current recall on those models. The G2 (gen2 PT111) fixed allot of those issues but still had the mag release problem. The recent G2C fixed the mag release problem and enhanced the trigger blade. The double action trigger is still long but not creepy. It has a clean break at the end and a very short reset. All in all, the G2C is an improvement of the G2. My previous G2 displayed no problems with over 1000 rounds and now my brother owns it and still functioning flawlessly. I recently picked up a G2C but still need to get around to shooting it.

    Interesting. I wonder if the upgrades to the G2C are something that Taurus would retrofit onto my old G2, or if I just have to live with what I have. If it weren't for the sporadic mag drops, it would be a lovely little gun.

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    jdindadell

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    Agreed. One simply has to hold and inspect the 2 to make that conclusion.

    @Jdindadell, no pot stirring from me, but it seems like the primary distinction you make between Taurus and other brands is related to the difference in price. I would think most people do not expect a Taurus to be a Beretta or a Smith & Wesson or a Colt, etc. That’s sort of like finding fault in a $20k Civic because it doesn’t run and handle like a $100k Porche... do you expect a $200 pistol to look, feel and perform like a $600 pistol?

    Here’s a fair comparison, all 3 of the 9mm autos and the .40 Taurus brand pistols I own make me happier than the Springfield XD and both of the S&W M&P shield pistols....I used to own. Both shields had about the crappiest trigger of any auto I’ve ever shot and the XD would not reliably eat half the HP ammo I tried in it. All 3 of those I purchased new and for more money. The concerns I had with them were a little more concerning than simply the way the gun felt or looked on the inside. I get the concerns as far as the internals, but many people still say the same stuff about Glock.
    I own quite a few H&K, Beretta, Sig, Colt, Glock, Smith, Ruger, etc, many high dollar handguns so it’s not just about saving a buck for me. Btw, 1911 and German Luger are my top 2 picks for a sweet shooter.
    So back to price point, I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a new pistol for $200 that better than the Taurus pistols I own, although I did recently see a Sigma going for $259 at academy. So I bought it...

    Price new to new is not a fair comparison, I agree with that. I certainly do not expect a 200 dollar pistol to compare to a 600 dollar pistol. But what does Taurus sell for 200 bucks? And how does it compare to a competitors model at 600? I looked up the msrp of a pt92, and it is just under 500, more likely to be about 400 street value. I have seen a few Beretta 92s go for 400-450 lightly used. Which would you buy?

    My main argument revolved around this: new Taurus price vs used (better quality gun) price is much more comparable. I would much rather have a used glock for 400 bucks than a new Taurus (any semi auto).

    Same with the revolvers. However, the used prices for smith revolvers has gone up recently so Taurus revos are more attractive than they used to be. I would still pay more for a used smith revo than buy a new Taurus.

    Perhaps it is put better this way: A used glock has more quality than a new Taurus, be it design or materials. Same with a used smith revo vs a new Taurus revo. I would feel like i was wasting my money to buy a new Taurus anything. With the same money i could buy a used gun that has better materials, design and resale. I do not weigh resale as highly as build quality and design, but resale does matter, if only to indicate a products desirability on the used market, which generally means said product has a known or considered inherent quality.

    The lower price area in the handgun market is an interesting place, and price point products exist purely due to the demand this part of the market creates. Unless you plan to arm your enemies, a 260 dollar sigma is a bad purchase!!! That is a classic example of a company coping another company's product and trying to sell it cheaper. We ended up with a crap gun with a crap trigger made of substandard components and materials for less $$$... Yes, 260 vs 525 for a new glock, I get it, but buy a few of the S&W 40 dollar a piece mags and you close the gap between a new sigma and a used glock. Yet again, which would you rather have?

    If your taurus products make you happy than that is just fine with me!!! The bulk of these guns are just toys for dudes anyway!!
     

    Creoleman

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    Here goes my two cents. I've had and fired Taurus weapons for decades now. Never had a jam or problem (perhaps I'm just fortunate). Currently keep a semi-auto Taurus in my old truck, and a Taurus revolver in my old car. Obviously means I trust 'em.
     

    Magdump

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    Price new to new is not a fair comparison, I agree with that. I certainly do not expect a 200 dollar pistol to compare to a 600 dollar pistol. But what does Taurus sell for 200 bucks?

    If your taurus products make you happy than that is just fine with me!!! The bulk of these guns are just toys for dudes anyway!!
    Didn’t quote the entire post:
    The retail on the two gen 2 PT-111, 709 slim and 740 slim was $199 each from PSA and Kentucky Gun Co. So it looks like Taurus sells quite a few for 200 bucks.
    I don’t see how the sigma is a bad purchase either. But seriously, you can’t put people in a particular gun buying category because they purchase low price firearms. I still buy plenty of the big boy major name brand high price guns too friend. A walk through my place might surprise you if you think that way. Beretta 92? Sure, I like them. I own 5. Bought my first one in the early 90’s just before that
    H&K P7 M10 that nobody thought much of. I got a few H&K and Sig pistols taking up space. I don’t have any 320 or 365 pistols tho. I heard they have had their share of $200 pistol problems...
    My point is, I’m smart enough to see a bargain and don’t let public opinion drive my purchase plan. As to the original question posed by the OP, sure, I trust Taurus for what they are. I got no reason not to. Looks like quite a few people do as well. Maybe because not every gun I own do I plan to take into combat tomorrow or defend my life with today.
    Maybe I just bought it to shoot and enjoy... hmm?
     
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    CatCam

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    Thanks Magdump -- I never thought a revolver would get people's attention but when I take the 689 out everybody wants to send six shots downrange with it -- hurts my wallet as .357 Mag ammo is pricey!! hahahaha
     

    Magdump

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    Thanks Magdump -- I never thought a revolver would get people's attention but when I take the 689 out everybody wants to send six shots downrange with it -- hurts my wallet as .357 Mag ammo is pricey!! hahahaha

    Well....

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    Seriously though, I feel your pain. I don’t even tell people I got a BMG for that very reason.
    I remember one of my earliest campout weekends with a bunch of my buds we do every year yada yada I brought a SPAS 12ga I’d just bought because they were new and cool looking behemoth shotguns and I just had to have one...there was this big overgrown teen there with his dad who wanted to shoot it so I said sure, grab some shells here and load it up. I stopped him after nearly 40 rounds of my buckshot went down range, which didn’t take him long. I brought 10 boxes of Winchester to the party and barely got to shoot my gun, lol. Some folks just don’t have a clue.
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    jdindadell

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    Didn’t quote the entire post:
    The retail on the two gen 2 PT-111, 709 slim and 740 slim was $199 each from PSA and Kentucky Gun Co. So it looks like Taurus sells quite a few for 200 bucks.
    I don’t see how the sigma is a bad purchase either. But seriously, you can’t put people in a particular gun buying category because they purchase low price firearms. I still buy plenty of the big boy major name brand high price guns too friend. A walk through my place might surprise you if you think that way. Beretta 92? Sure, I like them. I own 5. Bought my first one in the early 90’s just before that
    H&K P7 M10 that nobody thought much of. I got a few H&K and Sig pistols taking up space. I don’t have any 320 or 365 pistols tho. I heard they have had their share of $200 pistol problems...
    My point is, I’m smart enough to see a bargain and don’t let public opinion drive my purchase plan. As to the original question posed by the OP, sure, I trust Taurus for what they are. I got no reason not to. Looks like quite a few people do as well. Maybe because not every gun I own do I plan to take into combat tomorrow or defend my life with today.
    Maybe I just bought it to shoot and enjoy... hmm?

    Ok, using your 200 dollar examples, the pt111 would compare with a sig 365 (loosely, the sig is smaller) which is 500 plus dollars new.

    The 709 and 740 would compete with a selection of single stack 9mm pistols, such as glock 43, shield, etc, all of which are more expensive.

    The 365 seems to be having some teething issues, and the single stack market is pretty full, so their are plenty of choices. I get that some see the 200 dollar carry guns as good value, and perhaps they are. They have their place, not sure if training with a inexpensive small gun translates to other small guns, and I would not pick a 200 dollar gun to carry on my person. Perhaps as a gift to a less "gun oriented" person? Maybe as a car gun that runs the risk of being stolen (don't get me started on properly storing and handling guns...) So I guess I don't see a point, unless you have a stash location that can only accommodate a smaller pistol? Or you just happen to be on a super tight budget and would like to be armed? Most people on this board have multiple guns, for no other reason than just to have them (me included!) so that last sentence may not be relevant... I can understand dropping a few Benjamins on a new gun and just blasting away some ammo for the fun of it. Heritage rough riders sell well, and they are certainly a budget gun. Hi points do as well.

    I looked at the Taurus website and was surprised to see many of the old faithful Taurus products not listed. In fact, their 2018 catalog did not list a single full size poly framed gun. The 709 and 740 are absent too. So that means that they have constricted their product line to mainly carry revolvers and the g2c... Were the larger guns not selling?

    I guess it just boils down to the fact that I have never seen a taurus product that lit my fire and I find their products to generally be copies of other guns, and budget copies at that.

    And as far as the Sigma goes... The fact it is still on the shelf indicates only one thing to me, price point sells. It is certainly better than a high point, mainly for the locked breech aspect. It fits a segment of the market that is generally vacant these days, inexpensive full sized poly framed gun. Would I spend 260 plus tax of my hard earned money on it? Hell no, but I know what the sigma is and I know I can get a police trade in glock for slightly more and enjoy a wealth of cheaper mags, upgrade parts and the inherent quality that a glock has over the sigma.

    That is the point of my argument: There is always a better quality choice on the used market than a new Taurus anything.
     

    jdindadell

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    And I guess I should answer Cujo's original question!!!

    If I put a few hundred rounds through a taurus product and did not have to send it back for work, i would trust it. I do not believe that their guns are constructed well enough to handle high volumes of fire, but my experience with them ranks them as good enough. I would certainly pick a taurus semi over a keltec, but I have had poor experiences with keltec products too. Anecdotal accounts praise Taurus warranty, so I guess it is a reasonable choice compared to its peers.

    Perhaps I expect too much out of this market segment. I have had issues with most of the gun manufacturers as I have had ownership of a lot of guns in the last 2 decades. Getting a lemon is getting a lemon, volume manufacturing produces lemons, just a fact of life.
     
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