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  • Whitebread

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    From my posts here many know I fear a day when our rights will stop being infringed upon and just be stolen away completely. But a conversation I had the other day sparked my mind to thinking how would this really go down.

    The struggle is often billed as an over night ban and an immediate clash between the last few standing patriots and "Them." But is that really how the slow, lumbering, inefficient, incompetent Federal government works? Of course not. Know anyone who has blatantly cheated on their taxes and gotten away with it? And there are currently not enough government agents and military to kick in every door in America in any sort for rapid succession.

    In the event that some how a nationwide law or executive order or martial law is enacted "they" still have the burden of tracking down and collecting all information from the all original purchases from all the dealers. Now because the BATFE already possess the data on NFA type items, "they" would likely start there. Then "they" have to investigate and collect the contraband. Just gathering all the 4473s would be a mind numbing task that with our government could take years. Those patriots would likely have ample time to get squared away. And that’s not to say that buying and building what you want/need now is a bad idea. I still believe that in my lifetime the days/years of ban and confiscation will be upon us but the only ones unfortunate enough to have the proverbial battle on their doorsteps and shooting it out with a bunch jackboots will likely have a chance to prevent it before their doors are darkened. I by no means am giving a pass to any American law enforcement or military personnel who would participate in this sort criminal behavior (gun theft), but the likelihood of "them" successfully disarming those Americans who will stand the gap and are willing to outsmart a mostly incompetent government is less likely than some may have us believe. I'm also not taking the position that 80% lowers, private purchases, cash purchases of parts and ammo are entirely useless either. I'm sure the NICS system logs something when you buy a firearm.

    I am not entirely certain of my purpose in posting this except to get varying opinions. I know I am not the only one who has thought about it.
     
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    Whitebread

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    I see it being more like death by a thousand cuts. If "they" can't ban ARs, then "they" start with AKs.....then ARs, then all semi auto, then an arsenal tax, then ammo registration, then whatever.

    What will I do? I will attempt to be a lawful citizen of course.
    Yeah they have been chipping at us for nearly 100 years but eventually their persistence will pay off.
     

    falshooter

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    Rant on...

    Who are these 'Patriots' that you speak of.

    Not the thousands of "keyboard commandos" who run their mouths [fingers] on all these gunboards. "Over my dead body, Let em try, I can't wait for the day, Come and get em, etc,etc.....

    There won't be 1 in a millon who will stand, and they will quickly fall. How many are willing to loose their jobs or their life, go to jail, give up supporting their families over firearm ownership. Look at California and half the east coast to see how things are going. Think it'll get any better.

    Yeah , firearm sales are at an all time high, but it's just a novelty. Most buy just to say "I had one of those." When the order comes to turn them in the majority of the SHEEPLE will comply. Then the rest will go into hiding. Then the PTB will simply wait for them to die off. . Shut down ranges. No bulk ammo sales, high taxes on sales and transfers, arrest a few and scare the rest. Any working firearms left and your heirs will turn them in after your dead.

    See any armed uprisings lately from some of the most liberal states with the most firearm restrictions ? If gun owners had half the balls of the gay, lezzie and "transgender" [WTF] community all this **** wouldn't be happening. How in the **** can such a small minority have so much power and set the agenda for Americas future ?

    They stand together and don't back down.

    More than half the gun owners agree "we" don't need "assault rifles", high capacity mags, bulk ammo, Show up at a range with dedicated skeet shooters on one end with one and look at the disdain look on their faces. I used to get "What' cha need that for" from more hunters then anybody else.

    The USA is changing my friend. One thing the PTB have that we don't..... TIME... Keep giving the ignorant masses free **** and educating them with all this liberal socialist propaganda, Let us ...the .gov.... take care of everyone and everything.

    They will get their way and one day it'll be true. Ban all guns and only criminals will have guns, and THEY need criminals to keep feeding the "machine"

    Rant off...
     
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    One thing I know is that if I were trying to ban guns I would just listen to gun owners on how to do it.

    Secondly I also see the types that think if they sacrifice a couple of us "They" won't come for the rest of us. There seem to be a rare few here on BS.com with that mentality.

    I don't think I will see an end to it in my lifetime. Unless of course gun control is achieved. If I thought giving up my guns would somehow solve the problems gun control is supposed to I would have already given them up.

    One of the big things we can do is convert as many antis as we can to pro gun people. Some just have never had any exposure to guns except negative media.
     
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    Whitebread

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    Rant on...

    Who are these 'Patriots' that you speak of.

    Not the thousands of "keyboard commandos" who run their mouths [fingers] on all these gunboards. "Over my dead body, Let em try, I can't wait for the day, Come and get em, etc,etc.....

    There won't be 1 in a millon who will stand, and they will quickly fall. How many are willing to loose their jobs or their life, go to jail, give up supporting their families over firearm ownership. Look at California and half the east coast to see how things are going. Think it'll get any better.

    Yeah , firearm sales are at an all time high, but it's just a novelty. Most buy just to say "I had one of those." When the order comes to turn them in the majority of the SHEEPLE will comply. Then the rest will go into hiding. Then the PTB will simply wait for them to die off. . Shut down ranges. No bulk ammo sales, high taxes on sales and transfers, arrest a few and scare the rest. Any working firearms left and your heirs will turn them in after your dead.

    See any armed uprisings lately from some of the most liberal states with the most firearm restrictions ? If gun owners had half the balls of the gay, lezzie and "transgender" [WTF] community all this **** wouldn't be happening. How in the **** can such a small minority have so much power and sent the agenda for Americas future ?

    They stand together and don't back down.

    More then half the gun owners agree "we" don't need "assault rifles", high capacity mags, bulk ammo, Show up at a range with dedicated skeet shooters on one end with one and look at the disdain look on their faces. I used to get "What' cha need that for" from more hunters then anybody else.

    The USA is changing my friend. One thing the PTB have that we don't..... TIME... Keep giving the ignorant masses free **** and educating them with all this liberal socialist propaganda, Let us ...the .gov.... take care of everyone and everything.

    They will get their way and one day it'll be true. Ban all guns and only criminals will have guns, and THEY need criminals to keep feeding the "machine"

    Rant off...

    I take it you aren't willing to except this as your fate being that it sounds like you own some for of a high capacity autoloading firearm, and it seems we both agree that neither of us want to re-enact the Alamo on our front lawns. And going to ground for the rest of our natural born lives only prolongs the inevitable.

    So the only true option that will work in the end is fight now for the hearts and minds of our neighbors.

    But when that fails... What?
     

    Peacemaker

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    Rant on...

    Who are these 'Patriots' that you speak of.

    Not the thousands of "keyboard commandos" who run their mouths [fingers] on all these gunboards. "Over my dead body, Let em try, I can't wait for the day, Come and get em, etc,etc.....

    There won't be 1 in a millon who will stand, and they will quickly fall. How many are willing to loose their jobs or their life, go to jail, give up supporting their families over firearm ownership. Look at California and half the east coast to see how things are going. Think it'll get any better.

    Yeah , firearm sales are at an all time high, but it's just a novelty. Most buy just to say "I had one of those." When the order comes to turn them in the majority of the SHEEPLE will comply. Then the rest will go into hiding. Then the PTB will simply wait for them to die off. . Shut down ranges. No bulk ammo sales, high taxes on sales and transfers, arrest a few and scare the rest. Any working firearms left and your heirs will turn them in after your dead.

    See any armed uprisings lately from some of the most liberal states with the most firearm restrictions ? If gun owners had half the balls of the gay, lezzie and "transgender" [WTF] community all this **** wouldn't be happening. How in the **** can such a small minority have so much power and sent the agenda for Americas future ?

    They stand together and don't back down.

    More then half the gun owners agree "we" don't need "assault rifles", high capacity mags, bulk ammo, Show up at a range with dedicated skeet shooters on one end with one and look at the disdain look on their faces. I used to get "What' cha need that for" from more hunters then anybody else.

    The USA is changing my friend. One thing the PTB have that we don't..... TIME... Keep giving the ignorant masses free **** and educating them with all this liberal socialist propaganda, Let us ...the .gov.... take care of everyone and everything.

    They will get their way and one day it'll be true. Ban all guns and only criminals will have guns, and THEY need criminals to keep feeding the "machine"

    Rant off...

    I agree with your perspective.. It is true we don't as a group stand up. It is true that society as a whole is being brainwashed. It is true that there is a slow methodical systematic disarming of America. It is very likely that in about 15 to 20 years there could be an all out ban on high capacity semiautomatic weapons.
    I don't agree that the gun owning community is doing nothing about it though.

    1. We have and support the NRA, the biggest lobbying group in America
    2. We vote
    3. We pay our taxes
    4. We educate our young and ill the informed
    5. We encourage responsible gun ownership
    6. We stay informed
    7. We promote wholesome living
    8. We stay in the fight
    9. We maintain traditional American values
    10. We go to work everyday trying to make our society a better place

    That's just a few things we do to continue promoting firearms ownership. Yes, minority groups have to protest and rally to have there voices heard, gun owners of America are not in the minority.

    The next time a hunter asks why you need the weapon you choose to have at the range, Ar/Ak or the like, tell them what I have always responded, " my weapon assures you the right to own your weapon!

    Don't kid yourself.. When push comes to shove the silent majority will stand up.. It was only 3% percent of the American population that stood up and fought the greatest army the world had ever known in 1774 and they were led by some of the wealthiest people of their time.

    See any comparisons?
     

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    I take it you aren't willing to except this as your fate being that it sounds like you own some for of a high capacity autoloading firearm, and it seems we both agree that neither of us want to re-enact the Alamo on our front lawns. And going to ground for the rest of our natural born lives only prolongs the inevitable.

    So the only true option that will work in the end is fight now for the hearts and minds of our neighbors.

    But when that fails... What?

    And that is the part of the problem. What good does it do for me to die in front of my family & neighbors. As you say get proactive now and not have it come to that.
     

    mike84z28

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    I agree with your perspective.. It is true we don't as a group stand up. It is true that society as a whole is being brainwashed. It is true that there is a slow methodical systematic disarming of America. It is very likely that in about 15 to 20 years there could be an all out ban on high capacity semiautomatic weapons.
    I don't agree that the gun owning community is doing nothing about it though.

    1. We have and support the NRA, the biggest lobbying group in America
    2. We vote
    3. We pay our taxes
    4. We educate our young and ill the informed
    5. We encourage responsible gun ownership
    6. We stay informed
    7. We promote wholesome living
    8. We stay in the fight
    9. We maintain traditional American values
    10. We go to work everyday trying to make our society a better place

    That's just a few things we do to continue promoting firearms ownership. Yes, minority groups have to protest and rally to have there voices heard, gun owners of America are not in the minority.

    The next time a hunter asks why you need the weapon you choose to have at the range, Ar/Ak or the like, tell them what I have always responded, " my weapon assures you the right to own your weapon!

    Don't kid yourself.. When push comes to shove the silent majority will stand up.. It was only 3% percent of the American population that stood up and fought the greatest army the world had ever known in 1774 and they were led by some of the wealthiest people of their time.

    See any comparisons?

    ^^^This^^^And if and when we stop or our children stop doing these things our current way of life is doomed. The cop friend you have will not be knocking on your door asking for your firearms, however power along with fear are very motivating. The promise of power is what drives political agendas and that is what we should fear.
     
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    I have also found that in regard to ARs most people (Gun people included) have no context past the M4 carbine. Most don't realize we can shoot milsurps in competitive events. So yes there is a sporting purpose derived from military tradition.

    I also think that hunters and skeet shooters not being fully on board with gun rights is partly a perception problem. The thing is i believe most of them are fully on board. It would be interesting to know the true percentages and how do we get the our numbers up for the full supporters.

    Personally I don't want to be lied to by either side and I believe most people don't like being lied to either. One of our big advantages should come from presenting the truth and dispelling myths.
     

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    IMHO, the best thing to do is take your kids, family, neighbors, co-workers, etc., etc., shooting. Make it FUN! No combat mindset. No .44 mag for your first outing. Take .22's and cheap hot soft drink cans that will explode nicely on a 99 degree day! We need numbers. If not, it will be a slowly diminishing pool of us until we have no chance at the polls.
     

    Brawny

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    Most people who do not own guns cannot fathom why one would want, nay need, more than one gun. And that one better not be capable of holding more than one round.
    Don't doubt me on this.
     

    Whitebread

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    Most people who do not own guns cannot fathom why one would want, nay need, more than one gun. And that one better not be capable of holding more than one round.
    Don't doubt me on this.

    Yeah the people like that make my head hurt. Its as rediculous as those silly "fair fight" hand to hand combat scenes at the end of a good "shoot'em up" movie where both sides stand back while the main charactor and the main "villian" go at one another. Anyone who believes that crap should be forced to wear a helmet for their own safety.
     

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    do not mistake the big lumbering government as incompetent. It is enforced by plenty of very smart guys just trying to keep a job, and pay a bill. The time will come when you will meet your neighbor on this issue.. Be sure to have an answer ..

    We may very see it in my lifetime.. I am 42.
    It scares me, it will go from erosion of a style of rifle then a caliber, then ammo or some or all ..
    Have a plan..
     

    Whitebread

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    do not mistake the big lumbering government as incompetent. It is enforced by plenty of very smart guys just trying to keep a job, and pay a bill. The time will come when you will meet your neighbor on this issue.. Be sure to have an answer ..

    We may very see it in my lifetime.. I am 42.
    It scares me, it will go from erosion of a style of rifle then a caliber, then ammo or some or all ..
    Have a plan..

    Having spent a decade dealing with the IRS, verying taxing and complience agentcies and while I agree they can be fairly efficient at going after an honest person who made a mistake those who refuse to play by the rules can get away with things for decades. Now if "they" suspend all manner of freedom then yes they could eficiently squash us like bugs. But attempts to suspend many too freedoms will get both sides of the ilses whipped up into a frenzy and will likely distroy any chance of enforcement because you have to have someone willing to enforce these draconian measure and even the few leftist officers and military that exist I doubt would stand for a full on lock down of the US.
     
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    I understand with the IRS and many of the agencies, but the actual boots on the ground are your neighbors and friends on here.. which, they are just trying to make it day to day, Like you and Me.
    I do not underestimate any guy with a gun, or badge and a gun.. IF it comes down to him or me, he will choose himself every time.. The government is pitting normal guys against the enforcement every day as a good or bad side.. when in reality, its sometimes two sides of the same coin.. or family..
     

    Whitebread

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    I understand with the IRS and many of the agencies, but the actual boots on the ground are your neighbors and friends on here.. which, they are just trying to make it day to day, Like you and Me.
    I do not underestimate any guy with a gun, or badge and a gun.. IF it comes down to him or me, he will choose himself every time.. The government is pitting normal guys against the enforcement every day as a good or bad side.. when in reality, its sometimes two sides of the same coin.. or family..

    I couldn't agree more. The one thing these phonies always do well is divide anc conquer. But in mass the confiscation of guns starts with knowing who has what.
    So the first step is collect every 4473 and compile a database. This is something as best to my knowledge the government absolutely sucks at. Now I know some states already have databases they will likely exploit those first. And the NFA stuff will likely be treated the same way.
    Next they will look at who bought what and how many, so they can set priorities and stratigies for collection.
    Then its time to start the leg work. Most people with modest collections will get letters at first asking why havent you turn in your guns yet. Some will get knocks on the door from the gate and I imagine others that may be considered high value targets will be forcefully searched from the start. Because who the #### cares about constitutional rights for "dangerious people".
    Those who get the letters and the friendly knocks will likely have some time to play patty cake with the "investigators." Likely several second attempt letters and multiple visits.
    The final attempt will be to forcefully take them. I like to think those who got the letters and the friendly visits would have taken the time in between to "do what their conscience says is best".
     
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