Actually:
It is CLEARLY spelled out that a Pistol is to be used with a SINGLE hand.... as such, given this latest "determination" it would seem that using both hands to hold your pistol would make ANY HANDGUNS AOW's....
Check it out.
Shouldering Sig Brace = Illegal
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Actually:
It is CLEARLY spelled out that a Pistol is to be used with a SINGLE hand.... as such, given this latest "determination" it would seem that using both hands to hold your pistol would make ANY HANDGUNS AOW's....
Check it out.
I went the SBR route and glad I did. However, if you think it's only going to cost $200 for the masses to go to SBR you are mistaken. Many people out there have a CLEO that will Not sign off on NFA items, etc. which forces them to have a Trust drawn up etc. pay the $300 and have it done right plus the $200 stamp and there you go....they are at $500 (vs $125) and if they want to cross over state line, you'll have to ask for permission in the form of a 5320.
So despite going SBR, I see the other side to this.
Edit- gotta pay for some engraving and a stock, lol.
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The article said the gun had a laser sight. We all know you don't need sights if you have a laser. Thought that was common knowledge.
NOLASHOOTER
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The article says nothing about them shouldering the weapon. Maybe they were using it "as designed" with it strapped to their arm. Must we assume they were using it ilegally. Those certainly look like a couple of fine young men.
SpeedRacer
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Uh yeah, they were arrested for armed robbery and had like a pound of weed on them. The illegal weapon charge was in addition to a slew of other charges, although they did get charged specifically for having an illegal SBR. But it's also in Cali which has it's own laws on the matter.
It's funny though that they thought using the brace would somehow keep them out of trouble when they were ROBBING someone with a pound of weed on them. I think at that point I woulda gone ahead and threw a nice B5 stock on that bish.
It's funny though that they thought using the brace would somehow keep them out of trouble when they were ROBBING someone with a pound of weed on them. I think at that point I woulda gone ahead and threw a nice B5 stock on that bish.
Thats golden.
LMAO! That thread was epic
Harrisracing
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Where is this clearly spelled out? The letter in reference in this thread ONLY spells out that the sig brace is approved for use with stabilizing fire with one handed operation. This clarification does not mention anything about typical AR-15 pistol holding...only with the brace attached and as such designed for only single handed use.
Isn't that a picture from someone on this forum from awhile back?
Harrisracing
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I hope someone said "I want Taurus judges with friggin' laser-beams on their heads!"
Harrisracing
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Roger...which I read just now and agree that their definition of "handgun" design is "to be fired from one hand"...so let's talk some more...
The vertical grip is Not allowed per ATF on a handgun becase it redesigns the firearm to be readily fired from more than one hand. And "redesigning" a pistol with this attachment classifies as "Any other weapon". Which I understand.
What I don't understand: If the extra hand on the pistol is the issue with AOW, then how did the Magpul angled foregrips get approved without being AOW?! This CLEARLY redesigns a handgun to readily promote the use of two hands and that isn't the definition of AOW? I mean its an extra spot for the other hand on a handgun and therefore is no longer a handgun.
So, if a handgun (say factory Glock 17) is designed to be fired from one hand, then why are there finger dents in the sides for the other hand and why does EVERYONE shoot them with two? Maybe the issue is skirted by the fact that they contain one single vertical grip 'designed' for use with one hand. Seems if this is the assumed case, then HOW you hold a "as a designed and defined, approved by atf 'handgun'" then you are still in compliance. I should be able to legally hold my AR15 handgun (not talking about with a sig brace but just buffer tube) as I wish while firing...right?
dixiejarhead
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So... A question to ponder...
If you attach a 5.5" flash hider to your 10.5" barreled SIG arm braced pistol, what is it?
If you attach a 5.5" flash hider to your 10.5" barreled SIG arm braced pistol, what is it?
I'm just curious, what's the reasoning behind the 16.5" limit on rifles? It seems to me like a 10.5" AR would make the best home defense weapon for those not surrounded by neighbors, or an MP5 or P90s for those with neighbors, with the barrels that end just past the hand guards.
^^^^LMAO! This!!^^^^
