Just to stoke the fire some more, I'm guessing that permits issued before Aug1 can't be used since no NICS check was performed by LSP.
Unless there is a provision in the "New" Louisiana Statute that says implementation is allowable to be delayed for "ATF" someone could sue somebody on August 1, and win!
No they can not. The change in the statute simply allowed for the process. Kind of how the new lifetime permits "were a "law", but they were a few weeks behind on rolling that out.
The "process" requires ATF approval after determining state compliance. The state has done all they can do and have met the obligation of Act 221. You can read in the last paragraph of the ACT where it states that it is "pursuant to atf...."
Well that's a nice step for responsible gun owners.
I can see some shops just going ahead and calling anyway instead of asking for the ccw though.
Doesn't this reply constitute a "provision"?
I can see some calling in based on profiling... definitely. I can also see some counterfeiting of CCW permits too.
I know I've seen some people go into stores with a "THUG" look (no specific race either...) wanting to purchase a weapon... somehow they always end up leaving upset and yelling things like "I AIN'T NEVVA BEEN ARRESTED!", "WHY DEY DENY ME??", "WHY I GOTTA DELAY?", "I AIN'T NEVVA SHOPPING HERE AGAIN!".
Funny how that happens. I think it should be the stores discretion... they can identify things like someone purchasing a weapon for someone else illegally just by the things that are said in the store or the way they act... or falsifying documents, etc.
Every store I am sure also reserves the right to deny anyone from a sale at any time for any reason.
Some of you are missing the point of the new law. It was pushed as a convenience for CHP holders, not store owners. I guess it could be convenient for them as well; but it wasn't about them as a Bill in the Legislature. And unless I am incorrect on that, there is going to be some unintended consequences when the guy at Academy tells the CHP holder he STILL has to wait while he runs the 4473 despite the new arrangement! I didn't see it as a choice for the retailer to decide at the time. Then you would be leaving the door open for potential discrimination.
This sure seems like a lot of unnecessary ******** just to save 5 minutes at the gun store!
You could always just let them run the 4473 as usual and spend the extra 5 minutes telling the counter guy why a .45 has more knockdown power than a .9mm.
Went to an indoor range/store a few weeks ago and was talking to the lady that her and her husband had just bought the place and said something about the new law and her response was "I'm not going to do that. I'm still calling it in. I don't want that person to have just robbed a store and shot someone and then come in here and want to buy a new gun to replace their old one. I don't want that on our FFL!" I told my dad when I left, I will use the free trip card I got and I probably wont step foot in that store again. Not because they will call in the 4473, I couldn't care less, like said before, it doesn't add that much time, but because of the sheer stupidity for the reason why. I should have told her that I didn't know that NICS was able to see the future and solve crimes that had just happened.
I am curious how they will know if a CHP is valid or not.
Same way they know if any other ID is valid or not- judge it against know valid ones. While the CHp is pretty simple, it is Highly unlikely someone will go through that trouble.
I was more meaning if it was suspended, not counterfeit.
I was informed yesterday while browsing at Arms Merchant in mandeville, the the CCW Nics exemption applies only to CCW issued after 8/1/14. CCW issued prior to 8/1/14 still require a Nics check. Has anyone else heard of this. Apparently this is what LSP is informing FFL's.