Jeff Landry

GunRelated · Feb 20, 2024

Magdump said:
Another concept that for some reason is so difficult for law abiding citizens to grasp is the fact that felons don’t give a fat felony about laws, yet people expect that they’ll follow the rules.

I'm pretty sure, something about, shall NOT be infringed...Just because someone is a felon, does not mean that they are not a citizen.
In other words, just because someone is a felon, that does not mean that they should no longer possess their right to defend themselves.
This is just another way the state has been successful in removing rights and it follows the typical pattern of scaring the population by labeling people.
It does not matter if there is a law that "prevents" a certain group of people from doing something, because that certain group of people don't care about laws in the first place.

323MAR · Feb 20, 2024

GunRelated said:
I'm pretty sure, something about, shall NOT be infringed...Just because someone is a felon, does not mean that they are not a citizen.
In other words, just because someone is a felon, that does not mean that they should no longer possess their right to defend themselves.
This is just another way the state has been successful in removing rights and it follows the typical pattern of scaring the population by labeling people.
It does not matter if there is a law that "prevents" a certain group of people from doing something, because that certain group of people don't care about laws in the first place.

I get it, but that's another debate. Until the law is changed, felons aren't allowed to own or process firearms. Passing a bad check or an old shoplifting convention shouldn't Prevent someone from purchasing a firearm, but the lsw law still says different.

Magdump · Feb 20, 2024

GunRelated said:
I'm pretty sure, something about, shall NOT be infringed...Just because someone is a felon, does not mean that they are not a citizen.
In other words, just because someone is a felon, that does not mean that they should no longer possess their right to defend themselves.
This is just another way the state has been successful in removing rights and it follows the typical pattern of scaring the population by labeling people.
It does not matter if there is a law that "prevents" a certain group of people from doing something, because that certain group of people don't care about laws in the first place.

I’ve heard the argument for such and I think the only answer would be on a case by case basis and decided on by a judge. Felonies are not always violent crimes, but there’s nothing on the books to differentiate when it comes to convicted felons and gun ownership. A felon who shoots innocent victims vs a tax evader or some white collar criminal. One has no business with a gun ever again. I think the vast majority would agree. Is it fair that the nonviolent criminal isn’t allowed? Maybe not, but he most likely didn’t accidentally commit a crime either. I’d rather just chalk it up to “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” thing and call it a day. Not one person who breaks a law doesn’t at least subconsciously think about a possible penalty if they’re caught. Just so happens, gun ownership is affected by a felony on your record. Part of that possible penalty. Can’t accept it? Appeal to a judge. Maybe get your gun rights reinstated, but I don’t think we should change the law before we explore other avenues, lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I’ll say it again though, more directly, there are no laws on the books that prevent a felon from owning a gun. Show me one law that keeps a criminal from breaking a law and I’ll show you a prison system that says otherwise. Laws don’t mean squat to lawless people.

charlie12 · Feb 20, 2024

323MAR said:
I use Veterans carry because I am tired of paying every four years for the permit and the class. The class is the same thing every four years. You don't get intermediate or advanced classes on renewals.
I did 3 classes as a teenager, got Marine Corps training with the M9, security guard training with the Smith model 66, NOPD firearms training with the 92FS, Gen 3 G22, and Remington 870, and the CC class over and over. My money is better spent on ammo and range time.

It's every 5 years

323MAR · Feb 20, 2024

charlie12 said:
It's every 5 years

That's true, but you can't just wait 5 years to renew because it expires at 5 years. You have to get the ball rolling during the 4th year.

CatCam · Feb 21, 2024

I am 100% against this.
Retired military and I would venture to say 75% of military members are firearm illiterate so the general public is probably 90% firearm illiterate. Even the current CCW us a joke, it mainly points out the legalities of CCW.
We are asking for trouble with this legislation and I'll bet many of innocents will pay the ultimate price.

AustinBR · Feb 21, 2024

Magdump said:
I’ve heard the argument for such and I think the only answer would be on a case by case basis and decided on by a judge. Felonies are not always violent crimes, but there’s nothing on the books to differentiate when it comes to convicted felons and gun ownership. A felon who shoots innocent victims vs a tax evader or some white collar criminal. One has no business with a gun ever again. I think the vast majority would agree. Is it fair that the nonviolent criminal isn’t allowed? Maybe not, but he most likely didn’t accidentally commit a crime either. I’d rather just chalk it up to “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” thing and call it a day. Not one person who breaks a law doesn’t at least subconsciously think about a possible penalty if they’re caught. Just so happens, gun ownership is affected by a felony on your record. Part of that possible penalty. Can’t accept it? Appeal to a judge. Maybe get your gun rights reinstated, but I don’t think we should change the law before we explore other avenues, lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I’ll say it again though, more directly, there are no laws on the books that prevent a felon from owning a gun. Show me one law that keeps a criminal from breaking a law and I’ll show you a prison system that says otherwise. Laws don’t mean squat to lawless people.

I 100% agree with you.

In short, actions have consequences. Don't be a criminal.

CatCam said:
I am 100% against this.
Retired military and I would venture to say 75% of military members are firearm illiterate so the general public is probably 90% firearm illiterate. Even the current CCW us a joke, it mainly points out the legalities of CCW.
We are asking for trouble with this legislation and I'll bet many of innocents will pay the ultimate price.

Additionally, much of the firearms training the military provides isn't overly applicable to a random John Doe carrying concealed in everyday life.

Roadhog · Feb 21, 2024

CUJOHUNTER said:
I've been a CC permit holder for 1000 years and I will always be a CC permit holder.
Constitutional Carry??
Well, you might as well open up all the borders and let every unvetted criminal reside in your hometown because that's tantamount to imposing constitutional carry.
Sure, carry without a permit, so will the thugs running around town.... all of a sudden their legal to carry!
Think about it....

Just my two cents, criminals are already carrying without a permit.

thperez1972 · Feb 21, 2024

CatCam said:
I am 100% against this.
Retired military and I would venture to say 75% of military members are firearm illiterate so the general public is probably 90% firearm illiterate. Even the current CCW us a joke, it mainly points out the legalities of CCW.
We are asking for trouble with this legislation and I'll bet many of innocents will pay the ultimate price.

Would you classify CC as a right or a privilege?

chibajoe · Feb 21, 2024

CatCam said:
I am 100% against this.
Retired military and I would venture to say 75% of military members are firearm illiterate so the general public is probably 90% firearm illiterate. Even the current CCW us a joke, it mainly points out the legalities of CCW.
We are asking for trouble with this legislation and I'll bet many of innocents will pay the ultimate price.

If only there was statistical data from states that have passed constitutional carry that we could look at showing changes to homicide and violent crime rates. Oh wait, there is data, and guess what it shows? :rolleyes:

Xeon64 · Feb 21, 2024

CatCam said:
I am 100% against this.
Retired military and I would venture to say 75% of military members are firearm illiterate so the general public is probably 90% firearm illiterate. Even the current CCW us a joke, it mainly points out the legalities of CCW.
We are asking for trouble with this legislation and I'll bet many of innocents will pay the ultimate price.

We're is all the blood shed in the 27 other states that have this. I go to these states and see none of it. Have also carried in these states.

thperez1972 · Feb 21, 2024

chibajoe said:
If only there was statistical data from states that have passed constitutional carry that we could look at showing changes to homicide and violent crime rates. Oh wait, there is data, and guess what it shows?

If you think facts are more important than his feelings then you are just a bully.

GunRelated · Feb 21, 2024

AustinBR said:
I 100% agree with you.

In short, actions have consequences. Don't be a criminal.

There is no consequence that will prevent any criminal from acquiring, possessing, carrying, or using a firearm. Also, losing the ability to protect your life from said criminal should never be a "consequence".
By definition, this would have made most, if not all of the people who founded and fought for this country ineligible to aquire, possess, or carry a firearm. Which is why they specifically did not state, "oh, by the way, criminals have no rights to firearms".

Bigchillin83 · Feb 21, 2024

Correct… our founding fathers and patriots were criminals…. Mans law is subjective and flawed.. but that’s all we got to go by lol

AustinBR · Feb 21, 2024

GunRelated said:
There is no consequence that will prevent any criminal from acquiring, possessing, carrying, or using a firearm.

Putting and keeping them in jail sure would do the trick...

GunRelated said:
Also, losing the ability to protect your life from said criminal should never be a "consequence".

It's a consequence that people should consider before committing felonies. Any felon who is not in jail should consider themself lucky.

Again, I stand firm by the motto of "Don't be a criminal".

GunRelated said:
By definition, this would have made most, if not all of the people who founded and fought for this country ineligible to aquire, possess, or carry a firearm. Which is why they specifically did not state, "oh, by the way, criminals have no rights to firearms".

Yes, yes it would have. They revolted against Britain knowing full and well that they could die or spend the rest of their life in jail.

But the founding fathers also believed in putting criminals in jail, thus stripping them of plenty of rights afforded to people not in a metal cage.

MetalVendor · Feb 21, 2024

chibajoe said:
If only there was statistical data from states that have passed constitutional carry that we could look at showing changes to homicide and violent crime rates. Oh wait, there is data, and guess what it shows?

But only 26 states! How can we rely on data from only half of the states in the country? Haha

GunRelated · Feb 21, 2024

AustinBR said:
Putting and keeping them in jail sure would do the trick...

It's a consequence that people should consider before committing felonies. Any felon who is not in jail should consider themself lucky.

Again, I stand firm by the motto of "Don't be a criminal".

Yes, yes it would have. They revolted against Britain knowing full and well that they could die or spend the rest of their life in jail.

But the founding fathers also believed in putting criminals in jail, thus stripping them of plenty of rights afforded to people not in a metal cage.

Keeping all criminals / felons in jail is not an option, and mottos and opinions serve no justice against the cold reality that criminals will always have access to firearms, so long as firearms exist. Therefore, and law against the possession of firearms, will only ever apply to people who follow the law. Sure, you may catch a felon with a firearm, and he may or may not serve more time in prison for that, however, the law did not prevent them from acquiring or possessing the firearm. All the while, you have provided the state with more power, to provide yourself with a false sense of security, and likely a moral high ground, or so it may seem.

I bow out on this one, before I grow it into a full derail. Your turn

CUJOHUNTER · Feb 21, 2024

I don't really have concrete facts on the concern I have.... I'm going on complete conjecture. It's just my second nature to question or even be suspicious of freedoms that are all of a sudden, attainable. It seems, constitutional carry could level the playing field against criminals practicing the illegal possession and carry of firearms, who have been doing so for years.
I only question the aptitude of "new" legal and law abiding citizens that now possess a firearm without any kind of education and training. Who's going to monitor that? Do you think everyone is going to want to take a basic firearms class.... probably not. There's going to be allot of new "Rambos" out there and I pray they have the foresight to educate themselves and train properly with their carried firearms.

AustinBR · Feb 21, 2024

GunRelated said:
Keeping all criminals / felons in jail is not an option, and mottos and opinions serve no justice against the cold reality that criminals will always have access to firearms, so long as firearms exist. Therefore, and law against the possession of firearms, will only ever apply to people who follow the law.

I agree with you 100%. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws.

GunRelated said:
Sure, you may catch a felon with a firearm, and he may or may not serve more time in prison for that, however, the law did not prevent them from acquiring or possessing the firearm.

It's just a deterrent to discourage felons from having firearms on them. It certainly works for some, but not for all.

GunRelated said:
All the while, you have provided the state with more power, to provide yourself with a false sense of security, and likely a moral high ground, or so it may seem.

I bow out on this one, before I grow it into a full derail. Your turn

How does it provide the state more power?

GunRelated · Feb 21, 2024

AustinBR said:
I agree with you 100%. Criminals, by definition, don't follow laws.

It's just a deterrent to discourage felons from having firearms on them. It certainly works for some, but not for all.

How does it provide the state more power?

My friend, do you not know how the state works? (Rhetorical question)
Today, what is classified as common sense behavior, 10 years from now is a felony. Refuse to call the tranny by their preferred pronoun? Felony for you. Refuse to ignore certain racial data? Felony. Refuse to give up your seat to accommodate the 450lb minority that well deserves that seat? Hmm, felony.
I completely understand that these examples may be far fetched, I agree, but you cannot sit here and tell me that they are out of the realm of possibility. And, with that being the case, it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that other, minor offenses would be classified as a felony.
This world would run much better if it relied more on individual choice and the responsibility of the individual, rather than relying on the false security that the state provides, especially when that false security involves certain rights that should never, ever be possible for them to take away. The constitution was written the way that it was written for a reason. The amendments are in the order they are in, for a reason. And the verbage in those amendments means exactly what it says, for a reason.

Now, I wonder how many of the statistics in this chart, were contributed by,...take a guess?

No, the answer I was looking for was felons...

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