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    gunnut

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    That's not good for the industry and by that I mean they should have had a mandatory recall early on since they knew there was a problem. This will help set the stage for more frivolous lawsuits, not that this one was frivolous.
     
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    I thought it was more a product liability case. That happened to be a gun as the proudct. The lawyers should have paid off the plaintiffs out if court. As well issued a recall to limit liability.
    Should have been no different than an auto related case like Car Roll Over "Ford and Tire Manufacture"
    The lawyers picked the wrong fight and lost.
     
    AdvancedLaser

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    340six said:
    I thought it was more a product liability case. That happened to be a gun as the proudct. The lawyers should have paid off the plaintiffs out if court. As well issued a recall to limit liability.
    Should have been no different than an auto related case like Car Roll Over "Ford and Tire Manufacture"
    The lawyers picked the wrong fight and lost.
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    Agree, pay the plaintiff with a solid NDA and move on. Its a defective product. The best they can hope for is payoffs and NDA's.
     
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    gunnut said:
    That's not good for the industry and by that I mean they should have had a mandatory recall early on since they knew there was a problem. This will help set the stage for more frivolous lawsuits, not that this one was frivolous.
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    Remington was stupid also. A very cheap fix was offered by one of their engineers and they knew about the trigger safety issue way before their first lawsuit. I’m starting to understand what the old man really meant when he talked to me. He would often direct me with, “Surprise folks. Do the right thing.”
    Sig Sauer has been ignoring some very reputable people who keep insisting this is an issue. They denied there was a problem for far too long. Sales have already obviously suffered. Not a shining moment for them, regardless of the negative effects on the gun industry.
     
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    It appears that the plaintiff was able to sell the jury on the concept that the trigger should have the "safe-action" feature like the Glock and other manufacturers have, and therefore is a defect. The trigger was pulled, which is why SIG fought the suit.
    It seems that the real issue is that the trigger is too easy to pull, which is mainly an issue for those who have poor trigger discipline. A grip safety like the Springfield XD would help,but that would likely interfere with the modular frame design.
    The military version would not be vulnerable to this as long as it's carried chamber empty(normal SOP) or the safety is engaged either way. I favored the Glock 19X, but that's another discussion.
     
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    AdvancedLaser said:
    Agree, pay the plaintiff with a solid NDA and move on. It’s a defective product. The best they can hope for is payoffs and NDA's.
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    I don’t think its that simple though. The 320 as you know still exist and is still being sold today. Unless they take it off of the market or redesign it completely the problem isn’t going to magically go away.

    At what point does paying off all of these lawsuits starting cutting into profit.
     
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    hotbiggun said:
    The incident happened in 2018. Problem may be fixed but lets be honest it should have never happened.
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    I understand that and agree, but the problem has been fixed, via the recall, correct? How is it any different than car recalls for ridiculously more dangerous issues that impact more people? That kind of stuff hasn't sunk all that many car companies, if any. Why is this any different? Because we should be able to trust gun companies? That seems a bit naive.
     
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    Rewind, Glock STILL has never publicly addressed the "upgrade" (Recall) they did in the 90's with their changeover from the black coated internal parts to the silver.

    To make a long story short, the NYPD adopted them, they burst fired or ND's when the gun was loaded, Glock said it wasn't possible, NYPD hinted they were trading them all for Ruger's, Glock sent out 18 wheelers with machine shops in them to modify the internal parts while new ones were being produced, they produced the "upgrade parts" fixed it all and changed over to the new parts. To this day they have never told the public, and if you find a Gen 1,2 gun with black internal parts they will swap them all no questions asked.

    Obviously their guns are reliable and safe now, but even Glock went thru this, but they kept it out of the public. Theirs is a case study on how a major manufacturer can move past a problematic product.
     
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    AdvancedLaser said:
    Rewind, Glock STILL has never publicly addressed the "upgrade" (Recall) they did in the 90's with their changeover from the black coated internal parts to the silver.

    To make a long story short, the NYPD adopted them, they burst fired or ND's when the gun was loaded, Glock said it wasn't possible, NYPD hinted they were trading them all for Ruger's, Glock sent out 18 wheelers with machine shops in them to modify the internal parts while new ones were being produced, they produced the "upgrade parts" fixed it all and changed over to the new parts. To this day they have never told the public, and if you find a Gen 1,2 gun with black internal parts they will swap them all no questions asked.

    Obviously their guns are reliable and safe now, but even Glock went thru this, but they kept it out of the public. Theirs is a case study on how a major manufacturer can move past a problematic product.
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    My G20 and gen1 17 has the black internals. Much better triggers than current models. Never had a run away.
     
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    I am going to step in it. All strikerfires with no safety and the little bugger dongle on the trigger are all unsafe. I had a guy at a local gun store when I was on the fence about getting a glock that was demonstrating how safe they are and it went off. No round was in the chamber. I do not like these guns and it seems that Sig has found a way to make them even more dangerous. They might be great for compitition, trigger reset, staying on target and more, do not care. I would not put a single striker fire made near my body with a round in the chamber. "Just do not pull the trigger" Does not fly with me. Why not carry all our firearms off safety by that standard.
     
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    Xeon64 said:
    I am going to step in it. All strikerfires with no safety and the little bugger dongle on the trigger are all unsafe. I had a guy at a local gun store when I was on the fence about getting a glock that was demonstrating how safe they are and it went off. No round was in the chamber. I do not like these guns and it seems that Sig has found a way to make them even more dangerous. They might be great for compitition, trigger reset, staying on target and more, do not care. I would not put a single striker fire made near my body with a round in the chamber. "Just do not pull the trigger" Does not fly with me. Why not carry all our firearms off safety by that standard.
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    How did it "go off" with no round in the chamber ?

    EDIT:

    To be clear... He was demo'ing the gun to you and inserted live rounds in the gun behind the counter ? Is that what you are saying happened

    And what store was it ?
     
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