Sig is in BIG trouble now.

[rcm192]

Rewind, Glock STILL has never publicly addressed the "upgrade" (Recall) they did in the 90's with their changeover from the black coated internal parts to the silver.

To make a long story short, the NYPD adopted them, they burst fired or ND's when the gun was loaded, Glock said it wasn't possible, NYPD hinted they were trading them all for Ruger's, Glock sent out 18 wheelers with machine shops in them to modify the internal parts while new ones were being produced, they produced the "upgrade parts" fixed it all and changed over to the new parts. To this day they have never told the public, and if you find a Gen 1,2 gun with black internal parts they will swap them all no questions asked.

Obviously their guns are reliable and safe now, but even Glock went thru this, but they kept it out of the public. Theirs is a case study on how a major manufacturer can move past a problematic product.

Both my 17 and 17L gen 1 have these parts. This is interesting info. Thanks!

 

[AdvancedLaser]

Both my 17 and 17L gen 1 have these parts. This is interesting info. Thanks!

If you decide you want them swapped out for the current parts, I am a Glock armorer and I can send them in and get them warranty replaced.

 

[AdvancedLaser]

Unless I missed it somewhere, @Xeon64 never said the counter guy pulled the trigger.

Post #31 he clarified that the guy dry fired it.

 

[thperez1972]

The NOPD marked department issued Gen 3 G22 did have the "New York" trigger, but reserve officers had to purchase their own and were able to get away with the factory trigger. Some of the regular officers secretly replaced the issued trigger with the 5.5lbs or even the 3.5lbs. The only downside was having this discovered after a shooting.

Yes, but it wasn't worth it, in my opinion, to sneak in a lighter trigger. If something happened and I had to use my weapon, there's a couple of additional issues a lighter trigger would have carried with it, even if I were justified. Hearing "So you like to break the rules...what other procedures did you not follow?" and/or "Did you modify your issue weapon to make it easier to fire because you wanted to shoot someone?" from the opposing attorney. And whatever administrative discipline for violating policy. They didn't check it every time I went to the range but they did look at my G23 and made sure it was the heavier trigger before I was allowed to qualify with it the first time.

 

[JR1572]

NOPD had a NY Trigger on all glocks in their policy. That included off-duty weapons if you carried under "leo's can carry."

If you showed up with a Glock and it didn’t have a NY trigger on it, the range staff would install it. They did that to my 23 and 27.

 

[323MAR]

Yes, but it wasn't worth it, in my opinion, to sneak in a lighter trigger. If something happened and I had to use my weapon, there's a couple of additional issues a lighter trigger would have carried with it, even if I were justified. Hearing "So you like to break the rules...what other procedures did you not follow?" and/or "Did you modify your issue weapon to make it easier to fire because you wanted to shoot someone?" from the opposing attorney. And whatever administrative discipline for violating policy. They didn't check it every time I went to the range but they did look at my G23 and made sure it was the heavier trigger before I was allowed to qualify with it the first time.

Man come on. Think about what you wrote. A 12 pound trigger is a 12 pound trigger no matter double action revolver or striker fired semi auto. 12 pounds is 12 pounds no matter what goes on behind the scenes.

This is analogous to 12 tons of feathers or 12 tons of lead. Its still 12 tons.

A 12lbs trigger is not the same as a 5.5lbs trigger. I am personally just as safe with a the lighter trigger, it's likely that you are as well, but you can't just assume everyone else is on your level.

 

[thperez1972]

A 12lbs trigger is not the same as a 5.5lbs trigger. I am personally just as safe with a the lighter trigger, it's likely that you are as well, but you can't just assume everyone else is on your level.

The only time I've had the NY trigger is on the issued glock 22 and the backup 23. The factory trigger on all the other glocks I've owned or been issued has been just as safe for me.

 

[AdvancedLaser]

A 12lbs trigger is not the same as a 5.5lbs trigger. I am personally just as safe with a the lighter trigger, it's likely that you are as well, but you can't just assume everyone else is on your level.

Ok, I think I am tracking now.
You are saying a 12 pound double action trigger (Think S&W 686) is safer for the user than a 5.5# trigger of a striker fired Glock. I agree, but this is now apples to oranges.

I initially thought you meant the 12 pound 686 weight was safer than a NY2 in a Glock. Where I stated they are the exact same.

 

[323MAR]

Yes, but it wasn't worth it, in my opinion, to sneak in a lighter trigger. If something happened and I had to use my weapon, there's a couple of additional issues a lighter trigger would have carried with it, even if I were justified. Hearing "So you like to break the rules...what other procedures did you not follow?" and/or "Did you modify your issue weapon to make it easier to fire because you wanted to shoot someone?" from the opposing attorney. And whatever administrative discipline for violating policy. They didn't check it every time I went to the range but they did look at my G23 and made sure it was the heavier trigger before I was allowed to qualify with it the first time

Yes, but it wasn't worth it, in my opinion, to sneak in a lighter trigger. If something happened and I had to use my weapon, there's a couple of additional issues a lighter trigger would have carried with it, even if I were justified. Hearing "So you like to break the rules...what other procedures did you not follow?" and/or "Did you modify your issue weapon to make it easier to fire because you wanted to shoot someone?" from the opposing attorney. And whatever administrative discipline for violating policy. They didn't check it every time I went to the range but they did look at my G23 and made sure it was the heavier trigger before I was allowed to qualify with it the first ti

Ok, I think I am tracking now.
You are saying a 12 pound double action trigger (Think S&W 686) is safer for the user than a 5.5# trigger of a striker fired Glock. I agree, but this is now apples to oranges.

I initially thought you meant the 12 pound 686 weight was safer than a NY2 in a Glock. Where I stated they are the exact same.

Ok, I understand the point you were making now. I didn't realize that you were referring to 12lbs striker-fired versus 12lbs hammer-fired. I will admit that the difference is a matter of perception and personal preference.

 

[323MAR]

Yes, but it wasn't worth it, in my opinion, to sneak in a lighter trigger. If something happened and I had to use my weapon, there's a couple of additional issues a lighter trigger would have carried with it, even if I were justified. Hearing "So you like to break the rules...what other procedures did you not follow?" and/or "Did you modify your issue weapon to make it easier to fire because you wanted to shoot someone?" from the opposing attorney. And whatever administrative discipline for violating policy. They didn't check it every time I went to the range but they did look at my G23 and made sure it was the heavier trigger before I was allowed to qualify with it the first time.

Agreed

 

[323MAR]

Ok, I think I am tracking now.
You are saying a 12 pound double action trigger (Think S&W 686) is safer for the user than a 5.5# trigger of a striker fired Glock. I agree, but this is now apples to oranges.

I initially thought you meant the 12 pound 686 weight was safer than a NY2 in a Glock. Where I stated they are the exact same.

It's been a while, but I went ahead and tried the NY trigger on my Gen 3 G22 again. You get that stiff wall before the break and quite a bit more resistance. It really is about the same as a hammer-fired 12lbs trigger. It just has a different feel to it.

 

[JR1572]

It's been a while, but I went ahead and tried the NY trigger on my Gen 3 G22 again. You get that stiff wall before the break and quite a bit more resistance. It really is about the same as a hammer-fired 12lbs trigger. It just has a different feel to it.

Did you put the LCI extractor on that gun or did it come with it?

 

[323MAR]

Did you put the LCI extractor on that gun or did it come with it?

It came with it.

 

[rcm192]

If you decide you want them swapped out for the current parts, I am a Glock armorer and I can send them in and get them warranty replaced.

Me too. Just took the recert course at GPD. I could never touch them! They're my "collectibles" ...only about 800 of the 17L made in 1988.

 

[JR1572]

It came with it.

Make sure you have the correct spring loaded bearing. Those guns did not ship with LCI extractors back in 1998.

 

[Griz375]

That's not good for the industry and by that I mean they should have had a mandatory recall early on since they knew there was a problem. This will help set the stage for more frivolous lawsuits, not that this one was frivolous.

Right this one doesn't seem frivolous to me, given the info I've read but the next 2 or 3 dozen??

Yeah gonna be a crap fest of Ben (it's a TRAVESTY) Crump appearances . . . . . .

 

[Griz375]

How did it "go off" with no round in the chamber ?

EDIT:

To be clear... He was demo'ing the gun to you and inserted live rounds in the gun behind the counter ? Is that what you are saying happened

And what store was it ?

I'd like to know too - sounds like you might want to put that one on the "avoid at all costs/in fear of my life" places.