Sig is in BIG trouble now.
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I’m going to call BS. When you understand how a Glock actually works you know this is essentially impossible unless he pulled the trigger. It’s as simple as the guy either pulled the trigger or he didn’t.
It was likely an instance where the individual pulled the slide back to check the chamber, saw that it was clear, then released the slide with a loaded magazine still in place chambering a round! This can happen with any semi-auto pistol.
As far as carrying a striker-fired pistol goes, I have previously carried the G23, G17, G32, G20, G29, G22, and Walther PPS .40 chamber loaded with no accidental discharges. My trigger discipline has always been on point. I personally don't think that striker-fired is a good choice for the novice or casual gun owner. Even cops have had safety issues with striker-fired pistols. I personally know a retired NOPD officer who shot himself in the foot while on duty with his G22 years before he retired. Another NOPD officer shot a 966 suspect with his G22 because he had an accidental discharge. Incidents like this in New York resulted in the adoption of the 12 pound "New York" trigger by NYPD.
These days, I carry the HK P-2000SK because I want to make sure that I'm deliberately pulling the trigger when under durres. Hammer-fired is also more reliable than striker-fired: especially when it's HK, SIG, Beretta, or CZ. I have also carried the SIG P226, Beretta 92G(as a reserve officer) and M9(Marine Corps) and feel just as confident with those.
As far as carrying a striker-fired pistol goes, I have previously carried the G23, G17, G32, G20, G29, G22, and Walther PPS .40 chamber loaded with no accidental discharges. My trigger discipline has always been on point. I personally don't think that striker-fired is a good choice for the novice or casual gun owner. Even cops have had safety issues with striker-fired pistols. I personally know a retired NOPD officer who shot himself in the foot while on duty with his G22 years before he retired. Another NOPD officer shot a 966 suspect with his G22 because he had an accidental discharge. Incidents like this in New York resulted in the adoption of the 12 pound "New York" trigger by NYPD.
These days, I carry the HK P-2000SK because I want to make sure that I'm deliberately pulling the trigger when under durres. Hammer-fired is also more reliable than striker-fired: especially when it's HK, SIG, Beretta, or CZ. I have also carried the SIG P226, Beretta 92G(as a reserve officer) and M9(Marine Corps) and feel just as confident with those.
NOPD had a NY Trigger on all glocks in their policy. That included off-duty weapons if you carried under "leo's can carry."
It went click. That is how it went off... Bowie Outfitters and this was over 10 years ago.
I fully understand how a Glock works. I have one. It is like any other gun. No safety, pull the trigger and it goes off. By that standard a Martini-Henry rifle was the Glock of the 1880s, no safety just don't pull the trigger.
This is one of the wildest uninformed posts I have seen on here in a while. Some of yall and your lack of basic gun knowledge startles me. Please explain to me how a hammer fired pistol is somehow safer than a striker fired. Are you referring to the trigger weight, or the mechanism of action ?
Also, NYPD has ALWAYS used a 8 pound trigger in their Glocks. The trigger was developed specifically for them, hence the name. NYPD told Glock for them to adopt the pistol it had to directly replicate the 686 revolvers they fielded at the time. Glock made the NY1 which is an 8 pound trigger, same as the 686 at the time, and the NY1 has the 8 pound immediately on takeup unlike the standard 5.5 pound trigger. So the feel is very similar to the revolver for their transition to semi auto in the 80's. The NY2 is the 12 pound trigger and only issued to their Emergency Services Unit. The logic at the time was they has more stressful engagements and wanted it to be harder for them to ND (When it should have been the exact opposite).
Correct, he loaded it and pulled the trigger. It did exactly what it was designed for, exactly as it was designed.
Gun counter people scare me more than some of the uninformed comments here on basic firearms.
To be clear, you are saying he grabbed a box of rounds, loaded a magazine behind the counter, loaded the gun and discharged it in the store while doing some sort of demo to you about it ?
No. I told him I did not trust Glocks. He proceeded to show me how safe they were. IT was unloaded. He handled it roughly and was slapping is fingers around the trigger like a panicked person would do. It Dry fired. If there was a round it would have went off.
NOW I get it. He didnt ND a round in the store. He pulled the trigger and it went literally click, which freaked you out.
I mean this respectfully, they go click when you pull the trigger. Thats what they do. I'm not sure the issue here.
Right so he pulled the trigger and it dry fired as designed. We get what you’re saying l.
The NOPD marked department issued Gen 3 G22 did have the "New York" trigger, but reserve officers had to purchase their own and were able to get away with the factory trigger. Some of the regular officers secretly replaced the issued trigger with the 5.5lbs or even the 3.5lbs. The only downside was having this discovered after a shooting.
A 12lbs trigger with the hammer down is safer than any striker-fired trigger because it requires a more deliberate pull of the trigger. It is less prone to an accidental discharge. Of course I was referring to the trigger weight.
Also, is it possible for you as an adult to discuss this without insulting me because I elected to be as brief as possible in my explanation? I am not trying to write a book here and was under the assumption that you would understand what I meant earlier.
Yes, I know what the "New York trigger" is and for some bizarre reason, you think I know nothing about it, despite mentioning it by name.
I stand corrected on the reason NYPD adopted it in all fairness to yourself. That part I was wrong about, but the city of New York has had to pay settlements to innocent people hit by NYPD with their Glocks.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, but my Gen 2 G23(my first Glock), G17, G20, G32, and G29 all ran perfectly with no factory ammo malfunctions. I fired at least 2,000 rounds through each one. Perhaps the NYPD received a defective batch.
Man come on. Think about what you wrote. A 12 pound trigger is a 12 pound trigger no matter double action revolver or striker fired semi auto. 12 pounds is 12 pounds no matter what goes on behind the scenes.
This is analogous to 12 tons of feathers or 12 tons of lead. Its still 12 tons.
The parts on the Gen2 guns didnt have the same geometry of the Gen1 guns that NYPD got. I recall they were post "upgrade, " so they didnt have the same black colored internals.
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