Yea yea I know, Arken is junk! Had an Arken 4-16x50 SH-4 GENII in MOA and was plenty happy (just prefer mrad) but I guess I could always run another MOA model if I had to...EP5 would be better depending on price but the 4 is plenty good 'nuff for now...willing to throw in my Bogpod Deathgrip+ cash on my end if interested...thanks