Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike

[ejt1469]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

"Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are
converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented
show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war."

Tick, tock?

 

[Charles1959]

Will the POTUS have nuts or sense enough to stand with Israel should Israel strike first?
And what will be the ramifications if he doesn't? Or if he does?
Like the computer said in the movie War Games, "The only winning move is not to play".
But I'm afraid that they/we are gonna play.
Charlie

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Not for nothing but if you read the article you will see the phrase "annual exercise"

 

[nickatnite]

Not for nothing but if you read the article you will see the phrase "annual exercise"

That's what I read:

In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.

The war games are the largest ever undertaken in the region.
They will practise tactics in how to breach an Iranian blockade of the strait and the force will also undertake counter-mining drills.

 

[JBP55]

Another opinion from an e mail that was forwarded to me by a friend. I DO NOT KNOW if it is factual. ???????


My brother and his family live in Jerusalem - he is a minister - and a former Navy SEAL - his office is close to one of Israel 's largest underground military bases.



He called me last night which is very unusual - usually it is email.



He called to tell me that he is sending his family back to the US immediately due to what he is seeing happen within the last week and what he is being told by his military contacts in both the Israel and US military.



He said he is seeing with his own eyes military movements the likes of which he has never seen in his 20+ years in Israel.



What he called a massive redeployment and protective tactics of forces is underway.



Over the last two days he has seen anti-aircraft missile deployments throughout the Jerusalem area including 3 mobile units that he can see from his office windows.



In addition, he has seen very large Israeli armored columns moving fast toward the Sinia where Egypt has now moved in Armor.



There are reports of the top military leaders meeting with Israel 's Sr. Rabbi which is something that has happened preceding every prior military campaign.



His admonition is to watch carefully and pray for Israel and its people.



He is convinced that barring something extraordinary Israel will attack Iran - with or without the US - and very soon.



It is the belief in Israel that Obama does not stand with Israel but with the Arab countries.



He has told me before that Israel will saber rattle from time to time but that this time is very different from what he is seeing and hearing.

He was at the Wailing Wall 2 days ago and there were hundreds of IDF soldiers there. As he was leaving he passed at least 20 military buses full of soldiers in route to the wall.



He has never seen this before either.



Just thought I would pass this along.

My brother is not an alarmist by any means.



When he talks like this it gets my attention for sure and usually I find he knows more than he shares.



There are reports that Israel is asking Obama to come to Israel immediately but they are being answered with silence.
Just another opinion. ?????


My opinion is that I see the making of the perfect storm.

__

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Another opinion from an e mail. ???????


My brother and his family live in Jerusalem - he is a minister - and a former Navy SEAL - his office is close to one of Israel 's largest underground military bases.



He called me last night which is very unusual - usually it is email.



He called to tell me that he is sending his family back to the US immediately due to what he is seeing happen within the last week and what he is being told by his military contacts in both the Israel and US military.



He said he is seeing with his own eyes military movements the likes of which he has never seen in his 20+ years in Israel.



What he called a massive redeployment and protective tactics of forces is underway.



Over the last two days he has seen anti-aircraft missile deployments throughout the Jerusalem area including 3 mobile units that he can see from his office windows.



In addition, he has seen very large Israeli armored columns moving fast toward the Sinia where Egypt has now moved in Armor.



There are reports of the top military leaders meeting with Israel 's Sr. Rabbi which is something that has happened preceding every prior military campaign.



His admonition is to watch carefully and pray for Israel and its people.



He is convinced that barring something extraordinary Israel will attack Iran - with or without the US - and very soon.



It is the belief in Israel that Obama does not stand with Israel but with the Arab countries.



He has told me before that Israel will saber rattle from time to time but that this time is very different from what he is seeing and hearing.

He was at the Wailing Wall 2 days ago and there were hundreds of IDF soldiers there. As he was leaving he passed at least 20 military buses full of soldiers in route to the wall.



He has never seen this before either.



Just thought I would pass this along.

My brother is not an alarmist by any means.



When he talks like this it gets my attention for sure and usually I find he knows more than he shares.



There are reports that Israel is asking Obama to come to Israel immediately but they are being answered with silence.
Just another opinion. ?????


My opinion is that I see the making of the perfect storm.

__

That's an email you go from your brother or a forward? I ask because there are several red herrings.

 

[ryan]

Sounds forwarded

 

[GunRelated]

Even disregarding James's post, which could very well be a real email from a truthful person, I am not down playing any of these current events. Israel has wanted Iran's throat for a long time, and they are feeling pressured now due to their intel on Iran's nuclear status. The attacks in the ME also shouldn't be downplayed, as they could very well be part of a much larger scheme, because I just can't swallow the fact that the Muslims just now decided to revolt because of some lame video that is months old.

 

[JBP55]

E mail forwarded and I have NO IDEA if there are any FACTS in it.

I thought it was interesting.

 

[wfarrell1]

Even disregarding James's post, which could very well be a real email from a truthful person, I am not down playing any of these current events. Israel has wanted Iran's throat for a long time, and they are feeling pressured now due to their intel on Iran's nuclear status. The attacks in the ME also shouldn't be downplayed, as they could very well be part of a much larger scheme, because I just can't swallow the fact that the Muslims just now decided to revolt because of some lame video that is months old.

+1 The large amount of people joining in to protest is probably due to the movie, But the initial attacks were more than likely planned well in advance.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

The protest are largely a Sunni Phenomenon. I am sure a large part of the violence associated with them is coordinated. I would becareful about linking it to Iran though. Iran, being a Shia Theocracy, has very little sway over Sunni Groups.

 

[JBP55]

The protest are largely a Sunni Phenomenon. I am sure a large part of the violence associated with them is coordinated. I would becareful about linking it to Iran though. Iran, being a Shia Theocracy, has very little sway over Sunni Groups.

And the US taking control of IRAQ from the Sunni and letting the majority Shia take over helped Iran.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Yes we created a situation where Iraq expanded its influence in the region. That's part and parcel of why The Saudi's and Emirates are taking an active role in Syria. They would like to bring Syria into the Sunni Sphere and weaken Iran.

 

[GunRelated]

The protest are largely a Sunni Phenomenon. I am sure a large part of the violence associated with them is coordinated. I would becareful about linking it to Iran though. Iran, being a Shia Theocracy, has very little sway over Sunni Groups.

You have quite a bit more of an understanding of how things work in the ME, and the groups within it. I, for one, am not going to sit here and act like I know more about the topic because of what I have read or heard. I appreciate having a knowledgeable source on our forum, such as yourself, and others that have served in the region, and therefore speak from experience.

I am just looking at the big picture and putting what I feel in my gut into the mix. History always repeats itself, and it seems that we are long overdue for a major conflict. Hopefully, this is just me being paranoid.

 

[Coonie]

If Israel wanted to start something, wouldn't it be a good idea to do so while most of their allies have warships in the area?

Even if the allies didn't engage in the fight, their presence at sea would act as a shield for Israel's fleet.

 

[JBP55]

Yes we created a situation where Iraq expanded its influence in the region. That's part and parcel of why The Saudi's and Emirates are taking an active role in Syria. They would like to bring Syria into the Sunni Sphere and weaken Iran.

Absolutely.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

If Israel wanted to start something, wouldn't it be a good idea to do so while most of their allies have warships in the area?

Even if the allies didn't engage in the fight, their presence at sea would act as a shield for Israel's fleet.

Geography. Israels fleet is in the Med.

 

[Coonie]

Right, but couldn't things that fly and go boom be launched from ships in the med?

Geography. Israels fleet is in the Med.

I'm no expert in strateegery, but I did play a game of battleship while staying at a Holiday Inn once.

 

[GunRelated]

I'm no expert in strateegery, but I did play a game of battleship while staying at a Holiday Inn once.

Classic sig line material.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Yes but then ships from America, France, and The UK being in the Gulf wouldn't make much of a screen. It's very unlikely Israel can destroy the Iranian Nuke Program on their own. They know that.