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  • Nolacopusmc

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    A little chum inthe water for the Badge Bashers and the Open Carry guys....enjoy:D


    West Allis man not guilty in open carry gun case
    By Linda Spice of the Journal Sentinel

    Posted: Feb. 17, 2009 12:26 p.m.

    A West Allis municipal judge today ruled in favor of a local man arrested for disorderly conduct after a neighbor complained that he was carrying a gun while planting a tree.

    Judge Paul Murphy found Brad Krause not guilty of disorderly conduct in a case that drew to a hearing numerous gun rights advocates to witness what may be the first open carry gun case heard in a Wisconsin courtroom.

    For Krause, however, the significance of the case extended beyond gun rights: It was an infringement on civil liberties, he said after today's decision.

    "The reason people are upset about this is it's not about guns. It's about civil liberties. And we obviously have a property issue. There was no warrant issued, no exigent circumstances, no permission to enter the property, yet the police stormed in with guns drawn and put my life at risk," Krause said. "My wife was very worried that she would be a widow in short order because I was planting a tree."

    West Allis Police Chief Mike Jungbluth could not be reached for comment on Wednesday afternoon.

    West Allis Assistant City Attorney Jenna Merten, who prosecuted the case, was in trial throughout Wednesday and was unavailable for comment. City Attorney Scott Post declined to comment because he had not yet learned the basis for the judge's decision, he said.

    West Allis police responded to Krause's home last August after a neighbor called to ask about the legality of him openly carrying a gun in a holster on his property. Police responded, arrested Krause and ticketed him for disorderly conduct, an offense he and his attorney, Steven Cain, fought during a court trial in December. Police also seized his gun.

    Cain said today, "The big overarching issue is whether open carry is legal. The law in Wisconsin really only limits concealed carry. The law in Wisconsin, as we see it, is that open carry is absolutely legal, protected, and should be."

    Cain argued that the U.S. Supreme Court last summer in the case of D.C. vs. Heller concluded that open carry is "an individual right that shouldn't be abridged by law enforcement. That's what the case is generally all about."

    In explaining why he was carrying a gun while planting a tree, Krause said, "There's no requirement to justify why you're able to exercise constitutional rights. I and everyone else are able to go to church, they're able to vote, they're able to speak their mind. Even though the city might not like it, we have that right."

    The case is also one that has been watched closely around the country, particularly by the co-founders of the Virginia-based OpenCarry.org, John Pierce and Mike Stollenwerk.

    Said Pierce: "Really, the larger issue is not even a gun rights issue. It's the issue of having a disorderly conduct statute that is a catchall statute for otherwise legal behavior."
     

    spanky

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    Said Pierce: "Really, the larger issue is not even a gun rights issue. It's the issue of having a disorderly conduct statute that is a catchall statute for otherwise legal behavior."

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
     

    Nick

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    Arrested for OC in his yard...wow.
    not knowing anything about Wisconsin law, that's what blew my mind... you'd think a person who otherwise can legally own a gun would be able to be in possession of said gun on their own property as long as you aren't pointing it at people or even making verbal threats to use it I don't see where the charges came from. I'm not a proponent or opponent of open carry, but the police made a bad arrest in this case.
     

    Kraut

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    But people could see it from their yards. Shouldn't they be able to be shielded from that horror? They deserve protection from having to see things they don't like. I mean, it's his yard, but it's everybody's world that his yard is in.
     

    Bayoupiper

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    I remember reading some of the court testimony in one story.
    The two cops that were on scene had differing views on just how "disorderly" the fellow was.
    Damn!
    In his own yard?


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    dantheman

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    But people could see it from their yards. Shouldn't they be able to be shielded from that horror? They deserve protection from having to see things they don't like. I mean, it's his yard, but it's everybody's world that his yard is in.
    Sadly , there are people that actually feel that way . :eek3:
     

    LACamper

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    The fact that the cops arrested him is not surprising. Most cops are not familiar enough with gun laws, even here, as evidenced by recent walmart activity. I'm appaled that they would choose to prosecute the case. The DA is supposed to have a law degree and know what's legal and what's not. He also has access and time to look in the law books to figure it out if he doesn't know. The cops have to act quickly based on what they know about the law. He needs to sue the DA's office for incompetence.
     

    ryan

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    that happend about 15 minutes from where i lived for the last 20 years of my life. Very anti gun government. WAPD is a PD you dont want to **** with, they are baddddddd.
     
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