At Least 4 Good Reasons To End the War on Drugs
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I thought it a completely logical question.
"No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions!"
-----Charles Steinmetz
I'd agree with Hitman that achieving the Cal-Dream of legalization would hardly be "free".
It may even lead to an even larger expansion of the fed gov't.
As far as Mexico goes- do they even still have a legitimate government, or is the country completely being run by the drug cartels now?
It may even lead to an even larger expansion of the fed gov't.
As far as Mexico goes- do they even still have a legitimate government, or is the country completely being run by the drug cartels now?
I bet we'd see a lot more of these running around.
I mean we all konw those Drug Rehab facilities work so well
Meth Addict Claws her skin off
http://www.documentingreality.com/f...r-own-skin-off-disgusting-smelly-wound-81029/
I mean we all konw those Drug Rehab facilities work so well
Meth Addict Claws her skin off
http://www.documentingreality.com/f...r-own-skin-off-disgusting-smelly-wound-81029/
Sin-ster
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I bet we'd see a lot more of these running around.
I mean we all konw those Drug Rehab facilities work so well
Meth Addict Claws her skin off
http://www.documentingreality.com/f...r-own-skin-off-disgusting-smelly-wound-81029/
Video Not Found/Access Denied. (Wanted to see that, too.)
Meth is one of many evils that are a direct result of the war on drugs. Black market prices for the "staples" of illicit substances mean the people most likely to use them (poor) can't afford them. Enter crack, an inexpensive way to get more profit out of cocaine AND expand the customer base, and bathtub brewed crystal meth. That's one of MANY issues that result from a complete lack of regulation in a completely illicit market. And after the current generation of 'heads either died off or moved on to something else, the market (and presence) of those substances would disappear.
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Try this one;
http://www.mentalzero.com/Nasty-Bitch-High-on-Meth-Literally-Rips-Her-Skin-off-3732.html
are just google "Meth addict claws skin" and look around
http://www.mentalzero.com/Nasty-Bitch-High-on-Meth-Literally-Rips-Her-Skin-off-3732.html
are just google "Meth addict claws skin" and look around
I've seen native americans drink lysol because it worked better than ETOH... Meth is the natural progression of drugs and drug seeking behavior. Strict regs or not, chemists are goimg to try to corner the market with the next highly addicting poison.
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Sin-ster
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True. And there will indeed be people who experiment and fall into the trap.
Just like there will be people who send thousands of dollars to Zimbabwe to claim the inheritance they learned about through their e-mail.
The vast majority of alcoholics-- Native American or otherwise-- will not go for Lysol "because it works better". They are perfectly content to abuse the good ol' stuff that only kills them slowly. Besides-- you can get a box of wine for the same price as a bottle of Lysol, so it's a matter of cost effectiveness.
It's not a simple matter to fabricate new drugs-- especially to the point of bringing something "new" to the table. Sure, you'll have scumbag semi-chems mixing all sorts of things and trying to push it off as the latest and greatest. And they'll sucker some folks in. But you're not going to compete with a legalized drug market on a large enough scale to make it profitable. The juice won't be worth the squeeze-- especially because legalizing some drugs will mean cracking down on the illegal ones even more severely. You don't mess with big business or the gov't $-- especially when you're a tiny local operation, and not a multi-billion dollar corporation (as per the drug cartels).
Of course, this all presumes that the legalization process is done correctly. And frankly, in light of the fact that the "war on drugs" has continued for so long... I don't think it's very likely that the same political entity has a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it right (at least the first go 'round).
Alcohol and Nicotine are legal...Now let's start cracking down on the others more severely!!
What amazes me the most with this whole charade is the hypocrisy of it all. From what I've seen, the same people who want decriminalization of illicit drugs are FOR the "Clear Air Louisiana" crap. To break it down Barney styles here: These people want drugs decriminalized (legal), and cigarettes criminalized (illegal). This is just stupid.
If you want to solve the problems LOCK DOWN THE BORDER, increase penalties for possession/trafficking/dealing/manufacturing, etc.
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Sin-ster
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At least in terms of time frame, I think we can agree that crack and bathtub meth are a bit more harmful than the other illicit substances out there. That's to say they do a lot more damage, a lot more rapidly.
Agreed on the hypocrisy aspect. I smoke, so-- none of that here!
The problem with the measures you propose to actively "win" the war on drugs is a matter of sheer resources and logistics. First and foremost-- the drug trade has a lot more resources than we could ever afford to put up against it. For every dollar we might throw at the problem, they'll throw 100. With current technologies, there's no hope in Hell of stopping it all-- or even enough of it to truly make a difference.
That's a crap ton of border to lock down-- with Mexico. If you managed it, the routes would shift through Canada and require that much more effort. Then you've got to screen every last vessel (and cargo container) coming into our ports, across the lakes, etc. And for what? What has the "drug epidemic" done to ruin your life, or mine? Or the vast majority of responsible, hard working and value-oriented Americans across the nation?
They've tried the whole "increased penalties" things several times-- including pretty stiff mandatory Federal minimum sentences that are currently in place. The result is overcrowded prisons for non-violent drug offenders, sucking up tax payers dollars (again, for no discernable reason) and actually creating problems when it comes to getting VIOLENT (dangerous) offenders put away. Plus, for every 100 mid-level guys and 10k street dealers that get put away, you MIGHT manage to bust someone close to the source-- who is almost instantly replaced (after a brief gang war) by someone else, on into infinity.
"President Obama's drug officials keep saying they've ended the 'drug war,'" the LEAP member said. "But our report shows that's just not true, and we'll be hand-delivering a copy to the drug czar in hopes he'll be convinced to actually end this war, or at least stop saying he already has."
The officers' announcement came just weeks after the Global Commission on Drugs -- which includes former United Nations chief Kofi Annan and past presidents of Mexico, Brazil and Colombia -- released a report urging a non-criminal approach to world drug policy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/40-anniversary-war-on-drugs-cops-obama_n_877702.html
I say decriminalize all drugs.
(Also,,stop the BS blame game on cigarettes too. All of the sudden,,,,,anyone non-smaker who dies from lung cancer died because of second hand smoke. What a load of crap,,,they died from environmental pollutants,,,including asbestos, coal emisions and vehicle emissions,,,ect)
The officers' announcement came just weeks after the Global Commission on Drugs -- which includes former United Nations chief Kofi Annan and past presidents of Mexico, Brazil and Colombia -- released a report urging a non-criminal approach to world drug policy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/40-anniversary-war-on-drugs-cops-obama_n_877702.html
I say decriminalize all drugs.
(Also,,stop the BS blame game on cigarettes too. All of the sudden,,,,,anyone non-smaker who dies from lung cancer died because of second hand smoke. What a load of crap,,,they died from environmental pollutants,,,including asbestos, coal emisions and vehicle emissions,,,ect)
Meth is around because people like stimulants. America loved Diet pills in the 50's, 60's and 70's. By 1976,,,,the drug companies were producing over 8 billion doses of amphetamines a year for medical use.
Then amphetamines were removed from the market of legal drugs your doctor could give you. So,,,,coke showed up in the 80's,,,,then meth. Face it,,,Starbucks peddles weak speed. I drink coffee all day long,,,,because I like the stimulant.
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On speed: the many lives of amphetamine By Nicolas Rasmussen
http://books.google.com/books?id=1mf5eEG0nRUC&pg=PA222&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
Life in the Fast Lane: The author on the CHE Uppers. Crank. Bennies. Dexies. Greenies. Black Beauties. Purple Hearts. Crystal. Ice. And, of course, Speed. Whatever their street names at the moment, amphetamines have been an insistent force in American life since they were marketed as the original antidepressants in the 1930s. On Speedtells the remarkable story of their rise, their fall, and their surprising resurgence. Along the way, it discusses the influence of pharmaceutical marketing on medicine, the evolving scientific understanding of how the human brain works, the role of drugs in maintaining the social order, and the centrality of pills in American life. Above all, however, this is a highly readable biography of a very popular drug. And it is a riveting story. Incorporating extensive new research, On Speeddescribes the ups and downs (fittingly, there are mostly ups) in the history of amphetamines, and their remarkable pervasiveness. For example, at the same time that amphetamines were becoming part of the diet of many GIs in World War II, an amphetamine-abusing counterculture began to flourish among civilians. In the 1950s, psychiatrists and family doctors alike prescribed amphetamines for a wide variety of ailments, from mental disorders to obesity to emotional distress. By the late 1960s, speed had become a fixture in everyday life: up to ten percent of Americans were thought to be using amphetamines at least occasionally. Although their use was regulated in the 1970s, it didn't take long for amphetamines to make a major comeback, with the discovery of Attention Deficit Disorder and the role that one drug in the amphetamine family--Ritalin--could play in treating it. Today's most popular diet-assistance drugs differ little from the diet pills of years gone by, still speed at their core. And some of our most popular recreational drugs--including the "mellow" drug, Ecstasy--are also amphetamines. Whether we want to admit it or not, writes Rasmussen, we're still a nation on speed.
Then amphetamines were removed from the market of legal drugs your doctor could give you. So,,,,coke showed up in the 80's,,,,then meth. Face it,,,Starbucks peddles weak speed. I drink coffee all day long,,,,because I like the stimulant.
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On speed: the many lives of amphetamine By Nicolas Rasmussen
http://books.google.com/books?id=1mf5eEG0nRUC&pg=PA222&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
Life in the Fast Lane: The author on the CHE Uppers. Crank. Bennies. Dexies. Greenies. Black Beauties. Purple Hearts. Crystal. Ice. And, of course, Speed. Whatever their street names at the moment, amphetamines have been an insistent force in American life since they were marketed as the original antidepressants in the 1930s. On Speedtells the remarkable story of their rise, their fall, and their surprising resurgence. Along the way, it discusses the influence of pharmaceutical marketing on medicine, the evolving scientific understanding of how the human brain works, the role of drugs in maintaining the social order, and the centrality of pills in American life. Above all, however, this is a highly readable biography of a very popular drug. And it is a riveting story. Incorporating extensive new research, On Speeddescribes the ups and downs (fittingly, there are mostly ups) in the history of amphetamines, and their remarkable pervasiveness. For example, at the same time that amphetamines were becoming part of the diet of many GIs in World War II, an amphetamine-abusing counterculture began to flourish among civilians. In the 1950s, psychiatrists and family doctors alike prescribed amphetamines for a wide variety of ailments, from mental disorders to obesity to emotional distress. By the late 1960s, speed had become a fixture in everyday life: up to ten percent of Americans were thought to be using amphetamines at least occasionally. Although their use was regulated in the 1970s, it didn't take long for amphetamines to make a major comeback, with the discovery of Attention Deficit Disorder and the role that one drug in the amphetamine family--Ritalin--could play in treating it. Today's most popular diet-assistance drugs differ little from the diet pills of years gone by, still speed at their core. And some of our most popular recreational drugs--including the "mellow" drug, Ecstasy--are also amphetamines. Whether we want to admit it or not, writes Rasmussen, we're still a nation on speed.
