Bcm recce 16? 14?

[returningliberty]

Anyone have any experience with these? I've got one (16) on layaway for a patrol rifle, and will use an Aimpoint PRO + some kind of WML / afg.
Good rifle? I'm assuming so due to the price point and Internet reviews, but I've never shot it. Also, I got the 16" because that was what's available, but should I hold out for the 14.5 since it'll be in my car and not a range toy?

 

[Booseman]

I have a BCM and over 1,000 flawless rounds through it. I am not a fan of a pinned flash hider but that is up to you. My BCM is a KISS rifle, IMHO, red dot, WML and sling.

 

[whitjct]

I am a fan of the 14.5 with the pinned...it's only about 2 inches but that 2 inches does mak a difference in a patol car...for me it did anyways

 

[SpeedRacer]

The RECCE setup fills a very specific need for a very specific group of people. I don't think it's ideal for a patrol rifle. I don't know what kind of "patrol" you're talking about, but I highly doubt you'd be shooting at distances that require a heavier barrel profile. The Aimpoint Pro is a good choice though, solid optic for the money.

 

[JWG223]

The RECCE setup fills a very specific need for a very specific group of people. I don't think it's ideal for a patrol rifle. I don't know what kind of "patrol" you're talking about, but I highly doubt you'd be shooting at distances that require a heavier barrel profile. The Aimpoint Pro is a good choice though, solid optic for the money.

I think people get bent out of shape over barrels quite a lot. The signal/noise is high on ar15.com, but there are some very informative posts if you have a good filter. These are links to a few, that focus on the topic of barrels. They are why I prefer Noveske (or any) hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrels. I find them faster/easier to clean, and they don't copper foul hardly at all due to being hammer-forged. Those are worth more to me than the accuracy differences you will find if you read these links:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/486023_.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/468188_.html

VS

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=467919


I prefer the advantages of the hammer forging/chrome lining. YMMV.

 

[SpeedRacer]

I think people get bent out of shape over barrels quite a lot. The signal/noise is high on ar15.com, but there are some very informative posts if you have a good filter. These are links to a few, that focus on the topic of barrels. They are why I prefer Noveske (or any) hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrels. I find them faster/easier to clean, and they don't copper foul hardly at all due to being hammer-forged. Those are worth more to me than the accuracy differences you will find if you read these links:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/486023_.html
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/468188_.html

VS

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=467919


I prefer the advantages of the hammer forging/chrome lining. YMMV.

You need to stop reading so much and start spending more time shooting and talking to guys that kill people for a living.

 

[JWG223]

You need to stop reading so much and start spending more time shooting and talking to guys that kill people for a living.

I could definitely use more time shooting. Maybe in time I will be able to take advantage of a 0.8MOA barrel vs. a 1.2MOA barrel while running and gunning, but until then, I enjoy my CHF/CL barrels. Dr. Roberts and this site's user "Vanilla Gorilla" have definitely been a big help to me in the advice-column, though, as well as others. VG is the one who pushed me to sign up for his carbine course, and I look forward to learning quite a bit!

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

The Recce set up sucks if you aren't a Navy SEAL or shooting from a static position. I assume by Patrol Rifle you mean for Law Enforcement work? If it is in La we lack the wide open spaces the Mk12mod() was meant to exploit.

 

[goteron]

RE barrels. For me, the perfect barrel for a working gun ( as much as I will ever work it) that isn't NFA

14.5" CHF Melonited (no chrome) lightweight. 11.5-12.5" if NFA.

I still don't know what the heck a kiss rifle is.

A lightweight 14.5" gun with tubular hand guards and a good quality optic is as good as it gets for a "do all" carbine. Add a Z6i, Mark 6, or any other high quality variable and you can easily make hits at any distance you can identify your targets at.

RE Kiss rifles. I only put quality parts that increase my effectiveness on my gun.

I am faster clearing malfunctions with a BAD Lever. No two ways about it.
I am faster on and off safety running barricade or support side drills with a 45 degree safety.
An IR laser makes me more effective at night

I think every defensive gun should have at a minimum:

Optic
Light
Sling

Quad rails are so completely obsolete at this point, I literally cannot think of a single use for them that cannot be filled by a tubular. Additions to weapons should have a good justifiable use with no downside. My gun may have more controls on it than a backhoe (copyright Nate) but they all have a purpose, and I am comfortable using them as such, they do not make the gun unreliable, but make me faster, more accurate, and generally more effective.

It's important to note that I believe all shooters should start with the basic and add as they feel it can improve them. There are no software problems hardware can solve, but hardware, properly utilized can augment software, make it better and faster.

I'm a nobody, so that is my opinion alone and counts for nothing. Evaluate your setup honestly.

 

[returningliberty]

The Recce set up sucks if you aren't a Navy SEAL or shooting from a static position. I assume by Patrol Rifle you mean for Law Enforcement work? If it is in La we lack the wide open spaces the Mk12mod() was meant to exploit.

Thanks for the replies guys, my house has 4 feet of water in it right now and I've been working Really hard with the pd here so I haven't had much time to get online.
VG, ya it's mission (LEO) is to sit in my unit's gun rack and be mean looking.
Honestly, I wanted a fairly lightweight carbine that I could totally trust and would fit in the rack. After talking to a few serious AR nuts they suggested BCM or DD. I played with a DDm4v (4 I think? Not a v7), and preferred the RECCE 16. Am I going the wrong direction here?
I'll be the first to say I have no idea what I'm doing actually buying a "high dollar" AR, I just pick one up and play with it..

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Post a link or a pic of what your calling a Recce Rifle. What you want for Patrol Work is a versatile carbine. You want an M4 clone.

 

[SpeedRacer]

Post a link or a pic of what your calling a Recce Rifle. What you want for Patrol Work is a versatile carbine. You want an M4 clone.

It's just a 16" rifle with quad rail and heavy barrel profile.

For a duty rifle I think a basic carbine or midlength with lightweight 14.5" barrel would be the ticket. Not sure how well it would meet your "look cool in the rack" criteria.

What agency are you working for that allows you to carry your own rifle? Most issue a standard carbine.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Curt I know what a recce rifle is. I wanted to see what he thought it was.

 

[SpeedRacer]

Curt I know what a recce rifle is. I wanted to see what he thought it was.

It's quite literally the model name of the BCM rifle. You know, to cash in on the "I want what (insert name of favorite special forces unit) has" crowd.

 

[returningliberty]

Guys, the "sit in rack and be mean looking" was a joke. Hence the "honestly, I want (x)" part right after it. Lighten up.

 

[returningliberty]

Curt I know what a recce rifle is. I wanted to see what he thought it was.

Ya, it's literally what the gun is. A "RECCE 16" is the model. I wanted a low profile gas block and a rail for a light and vfg on a factory gun. The DD rail looked and felt a little uncomfortable to me.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

That's a pointlessly heavy rifle. Quad rails are obsolete with the current generation of tubes on the market. My bet is you'd be happier in the long run with a 14.5" LW Barrel and a tube. You can get that rifle from Bravo if that's the brand your after.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

If I were you and looking for a Patrol Rifle and I wasnt going to get a DDV7 I'd do this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14.htm

Add This:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-VTAC-BattleRail-Alpha-13-p/vtac-troy-trx-eli-s3bv.htm

A set of these:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Folding-Battle-Sight-REAR-p/bcm rear sight troy.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...RK-EARTH-p/bcm front sight rail mt m4 fde.htm

And then one of these:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Viking-Tactics-Sling-MK2-VTAC-p/viking mk2 sling black.htm

Followed by these:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Ergo-SureGrip-Black-p/pistol grip ergo sg black.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MOE-RVG-Rail-Vertical-Grip-BLACK-p/mag412 blk.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/SureFire-M300A-Mini-Scout-LED-Weapon-Light-BLACK-p/sf m300a bk.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Aimpoint-PRO-Patrol-Rifle-Optic-p/aimpoint-pro-12841.htm



Then you put it one the lower of your choice, I'd call Jason at Pelican and get a PSA Lower from him, and you have a very nice, handy, reliable, effective patrol rifle.

 

[JWG223]

Okay... I'm confused. You're saying that you prefer a Noveske barrel (or any hammer-forged, chrome lined barrel) over a standard Colt skinny barrel because the former is faster/easier to clean?

If so, please explain WHY it is faster/easier to clean; and detail your cleaning procedures. I.e., type of rod and brush used, type/quantity of solvent, time (how long from start to finish), etc.

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I have cleaned: Colt SS barrel, Colt CMV (non CL) barrel, and Sabre Defense CMV CL barrels on AR's.

I wet-patch with Hoppes #9 2-3 times, and then I spray FBC in the bore after a dry patch.

I let that set until it runs out blue.

I then use a bore-brush for about 10 passes and gun-scrubber the bore out, and then dry-patch it once, and then spray another round of FBC through it. It still comes out a bit blue from the copper. I then gun-scrubber, dry-patch, CLP wet-patch, and then dry patch.

My Noveske doesn't copper foul at all hardly. There is no blue tint to the FBC, so I stopped doing it all together. A bore snake and done. Hammer forged barrels do not have the "Chatter" in them that button-rifled barrels do. No-matter how nicely that button goes down the bore, there is going to be a little bit of chatter, and that is where copper fouling collects. There is none of this chatter in Noveske's CHF barrel (Or in a DD,BCM,etc. CHF barrel, either, likely.)

Simply put, it copper-fouls way less in 200 rounds than any other type of barrel I have sprayed FBC in does in 20 rounds.


Now, I understand that copper fouling isn't the end of the world, and is usually self-limiting, but it's nice to have it become self-limiting sooner rather than later, I think. Regardless of my method/time/brush-type used, it was the same between the Noveske and the other barrels until I discovered it was wasted time and effort on the Noveske because copper simply doesn't get build up in it at all hardly. Gets the snake, now.

YMMV

 

[returningliberty]

Hmm. That's not even close to what I asked for but thanks for the information lol.