"Felons, mentally ill, etc. should not have guns"

[LongRange]

After 10 pages everyone is still missing the point...

Why should anyone be stopped from owning a gun? If you arent stopped from having a gun, and the wrong person (in your opinion) has a gun and tries to use it against you, you get to shoot the person, thats the whole point to OWNING A GUN! I watch the same guys here, talking about ccw, and protection guns, well then thats your protection, not trampleing all over someone elses constitutional rights just because of your opinions. Thats what anti-gunners what to do to you, and you have a BIG problem with that, For gods sakes, when does it end, this whole idea that society needs your opinion for its survival?

If people spent more time, worrying about raising good kids, and teaching them right from wrong, and not having them hanging out at all hours on the street, then who cares if some felon has a gun, i mean ****, what felon do you think DOESNT have a gun in Louisiana?? Do you honestly believe that all the killings every day in NOLA or BR are from first time offenders?

Fact is every time you want to make a law that means someone is about to lose a right... we are born with all the rights there are, so everytime a law is made, thats taking away a right. How many rights are you willing to lose? Whats acceptable and what isnt is not for you to decide, all you have to decide is wether to participate or not. Someone said driving is a privelage... Im dying to know whos ass you kiss everyday you pay your car payments and insurance and buy the high priced gas, if thats a privelage, then how bout i give you the privelage of buying my family dinner and a new car. Dont be rediculous, the highways are built with your tax dollars, that means as a mater of democratic law, we OWN those roads and we are the people of the United states, its not a privelage, its a bought and paid for right.

Every right is bought and paid for, either by cash, or by blood and sweat, but make no mistakes someone paid for them, so you might want to think twice before squandering those rights, or wanting more laws to take those rights from someone, unless you are the only one who bled, or paid for the right you want to stomp, im guessing that wont ever be the case.

 

[dawg23]

After 10 eleven pages everyone someone is still missing the point...

Why should anyone be stopped from owning a gun?

Uh ........ maybe because as soon as we have the next Columbine-type "massacre, the Dems in Washington are poised to push through a sweeping ban on firearms. And then, those rights that you don't want to see "trampled" are gonna be (for all practical purposes) extinguished.

I don't waste time arguing with the ideologues on boards like this one who love to pontificate on the intent of our Bill of Rights. There's no debate as to the original intent........ I'm in full agreement with them. The issue today is the consortium of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Obama (and his Attorney General) and four Supreme Court Justices who are poised to carry out the Brady agenda.

People who think a mass shooting in a school or hospital by a some schizoid fruitcake won't have a crippling effect on our gun rights are in dire need of a reality check. The mentally ill don't need guns.

 

[LongRange]

Wait a sec... so your way to keep your rights is to take rights away from others ? Wow, so how bout this, all the people who shouldnt have guns in your opinion get to wear a nice armband kinda like the jews got to in germany, we can put this on it ,i mean at least that way we will all know.

BTW the guys who shot up Columbine.. Legally allowed to posess weapons, they werent registered mentally ill, they werent felons, they were over 16 in Colorado which means they can own a long gun and can carry a handgun owned by someone else, So its the LEGAL gun toters causing you to lose your rights by your facts.


You say about a school shooting etc... well raise your damn kids right and there wont be a problem, fix the real problem dont make laws to cover the problem up. Hell where i grew up, kids still take guns to school all thru hunting season, we put them in the Principals office so we can hunt on the hill behind the school before it gets late. I refinished quite a few guns in shop class, we had a shooting team, and guess what, no Trenchcoat Mafia. Why? because we were raised to respect firearms, not educated by tv and the good guy can take 4 rounds from a 45 and hes ok. Its education that is needed, not the Nazi antics of a bunch of dogooders who are trying to be our "saviours".
People want to wipe their ass on the constitution thats their call cuz its a free damn country, hell i hear there a few openings for flag burners too. Doesnt mean everyones gonna sit there and watch.

Keep in mind this whole anti-gun Brady Bill ******** started because some idiot who was legally allowed to have a gun, shot at a president hit Brady and didnt kill him, cuz if he wouldve died, the wife wouldve gotten the million in insurance, found a young stud, went to the Bahamas and we wouldnt have heard from her.

When you say mentally ill, that includes Bi-polar and other disorders, and ill guarantee there are quite a few members here who have some sort of problems, most are law abiding and medicated citizens. The other problem with the mentally ill is that by the time you know they are nuts, if they were gonna go on a killing spree, thats about when you would know they are nuts.

So lets all gather round and protect our rights by playing god and deciding who should have rights, the funny thing is, a study was done once and found that over 80% of adult males in the united states have commited a Felony, they just didnt get caught.
Ever write a check that would be good the next day? thats a felony, ever drive 30mph over the limit? that could be a felony, ever drink and drive when you were young, another potential felony, maybe you had a g/f who was 15 when u were 18, also a possible felony, Ever let a person under 14 watch a rated r movie? in a few states thats a felony. Ever copy a DVD? yup, felony. the list goes on and on, but i can screw a 9yr old boy in the ass and get a Misdemenor, so its a good thing the pedofiles can still carry a gun isnt it? Yay for the laws keeping bad people from guns, works great!



Im all for a safe america, but everyone arguing about keeping their gun rights for protection.. what the hell you need them for if theres enough laws that work? See thats the thinking of ANTI-GUNNERS... and you are subcribing to the same **** in a different way. If you let someone have an Inch.. they take a Mile, Im not into AW's personally i see no reason to have them, but i know that if those get banned, then the next thing is the hunting rifles. so Ill protect your rights to have a 30rnd banana clip on your streetsweeper, to keep my rights for my hunting rifles, its called "keeping the dogs at bay" i put a buffer between myself and losing my gun rights by fgithing for rights that i personally dont care for. Use your head, if you can keep a buffer between yourself and your rights, its a smart move, but right now, you dont have one, thats why everyones worried about an AWB, now if felons could have guns, they would be after that and not your AR , see where that thinking got ya?

In 1940 John Powers of NYC, who commited a felony and was given the choice to enter the military or go to jail, chose the military option, He became a Pilot and in 1942 he was killed saving others lives in battle, and recieved the CMH... he was a Felon, still thing there shouldnt be exceptions to the rule? This man is a CMH recipient, which makes him one of the most honorable men there can be, and im damn glad he was allowed to carry a gun, so are the men he saved. Id say that makes him a contributing member of society, felon or not. People can change, give them a chance, you want to keep guns from felons, then meet it halfway, why not Reocurring felons lose rights, meaning give someone the chance for it to have been a mistake. But no chance for redemtion simply means there wont be any more John Powers to save peoples asses.



Brick by Brick my citzens. Brick by Brick.

 

[Mr_Willson]

I hear that a lot. Here is my take on it (just made this):

I dont think a rapist needs 2 guns to get what he wants....

 

[mcinfantry]

In 1940 John Powers of NYC, who commited a felony and was given the choice to enter the military or go to jail, chose the military option, He became a Pilot and in 1942 he was killed saving others lives in battle, and recieved the CMH... he was a Felon, still thing there shouldnt be exceptions to the rule? This man is a CMH recipient, which makes him one of the most honorable men there can be, and im damn glad he was allowed to carry a gun, so are the men he saved. Id say that makes him a contributing member of society, felon or not. People can change, give them a chance, you want to keep guns from felons, then meet it halfway, why not Reocurring felons lose rights, meaning give someone the chance for it to have been a mistake. But no chance for redemtion simply means there wont be any more John Powers to save peoples asses.



Brick by Brick my citzens. Brick by Brick.

id like to read the citation. only john powers i can find was a naval academy graduate and US Navy Pilot....

 

[LongRange]

well i will say this was a hand me down story , so the info on it i dont really have, but i did get the story from an Uncle who actually says he knew him.

 

[Quickdraw22]

Just an FYI - the guns they used at Columbine were stolen. Watch the documentary.

And yes, they were f*cked in the head.

 

[LongRange]

Just an FYI - the guns they used at Columbine were stolen. Watch the documentary.

And yes, they were f*cked in the head.

True... but the guys who used said stolen guns were not convicted felons nor were they registered mentally ill at the time of the incident, meaning it wasnt a person who wasnt legal to carry a gun that caused the rampage and subsequent anti-gun fallout.

Another case of a bad person gets a gun and uses it... soo what law do we have to stop that? Im sure NOLA would love to know how cuz they have a huge problem with it. The anti-gunners say, take all guns away, you say, that wont stop bad people from getting them, so you answer the entire point to this thread, you cant stop them, so stop with the laws, just have your own gun and protect whats yours.

 

[LouisianaCarry]

I dont think a rapist needs 2 guns to get what he wants....

Newsflash- you can't stop them from getting them.

Arm your wives and daughters.

 

[mcinfantry]

well i will say this was a hand me down story , so the info on it i dont really have, but i did get the story from an Uncle who actually says he knew him.

i googled convicted felon and medal of honor. cant find anything. maybe he got his medal from a cereal box...

 

[LongRange]

Newsflash- you can't stop them from getting them.

Arm your wives and daughters.

YAYAYAYAYAYAY!!! SOMEONES SPEAKS THE FACTS!!! ya gotta love that guy.

 

[Mr_Willson]

Newsflash- you can't stop them from getting them.

Arm your wives and daughters.

you missed the subliminal joke I injected

 

[LouisianaCarry]

I guess I still am missing it, sorry.

 

[Manimal]

I think the second amendment is pretty clear and people can get their panties in a wad over this & that but a righteously run, Constitutional, America would enforce the clarity of all of the 'Bill of Rights'.

We dont have to worry about the Constitution anymore though.

 

[Quickdraw22]

I guess I still am missing it, sorry.

Me too. Please inform the uninformed

 

[jimdana1942]

That must mean all elected officials shouldn't have firearms.

 

[lsushawn]

how in the world does anyone think its OK for someone thats been diagnosed with a mental illness to own a firearm? and for the person that said one could kill you with a sword, i'd much rather a retard running after me with a sword than a gun. swords don't have lead projectiles that travel at 900 fps. and the argument that there are millions of people out there that haven't been found mentally unfit that really are has no bearing on this argument. the only point that proves is there are a bunch of nutcases out there that probably do have guns, and that is some scary shtuff.
and the arguement for the convicted felons that have served their time and think their right to own guns should be returned. GIVE ME A FUGGIN BREAK, this is worse than retards packing. you know right from wrong, you broke the law, and were stupid enough to get caught on top of everything else. you are no longer the same as a normal american, you have a felony record and therefore you lose some of your rights. unfortunatly for you one of the things you lose is your right to own a gun. you should have thought about that before you commited a FELONY. this kind of thinking is the same as a Democrats/Solcialists, if the subject wasn't about guns. someone saying "I don't have the will to get a job and take care of myself, so i think the government should make me even with the rest of society by giving me money." is the same as "i didn't have the will not to commit a felony, but i think the government should give me every right that the people that follow the rules have."

 

[mcinfantry]

how in the world does anyone think its OK for someone thats been diagnosed with a mental illness to own a firearm. and for the person that said one could kill you with a sword, i'd much rather a retard running after me with a sword than a gun. swords don't have lead projectiles that travel at 900 fps. and the argument that there are millions of people out there that haven't been found mentally unfit that really are has no bearing on this argument. the only point that proves is there are a bunch of nutcases out there that probably do have guns and that is some scary shtuff. and the arguement for the convicted felons that have served their time and think their right to own guns should be returned. GIVE ME A FUGGIN BREAK, this is worse than retards packing. you know right from wrong, you broke the law, and were stupid enough to get caught on top of everything else. you are no longer the same as a normal american, you have a felony record and therefore you lose some of your rights. unfortunatly for you one of the things you lose is your right to own a gun. you should have thought about that before you commited a FELONY.

stop it shawn. you wasted 5 minutes of your life. i agree with you, but unfortunately that doesnt erase the rest of the thread.

 

[lsushawn]

stoopidity makes my head hurt.

 

[flemgunner]

So what about those diagnosed with PTSD? Its a mental illness.
Alot of times the VA will call that diagnosis something else.... say...Bipolar. That way they can call it an existing condition so they dont have to pay.
So are people with bipolar disorder unable to own guns? You cant start blanketing mental illness a lot of it is harmless. How about OCD all that will lead to is stockpiling of guns (not necessarily a bad thing if you can afford it)