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  • Robhic

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    > >Subject: DICK ACT of 1902....not a joke....gun law
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    > >>DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CANT BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) The Trump
    > >>Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as
    > >>Untouchable The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill
    > >>H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It
    > >>also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
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    > >>The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia,
    > >>henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District
    > >>of Columbia , the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia
    > >>encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members
    > >>of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment
    > >>right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to
    > >>buy.
    > >>
    > >>The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of
    > >>attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation
    > >>of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United
    > >> States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the
    > >>National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
    > >>
    > >>The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government
    > >>for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the
    > >>Union ; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only
    > >>purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National
    > >>Guard.Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, the Organized
    > >>Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare
    > >>outside the limits of the United States.
    > >>
    > >>The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October
    > >>4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson inl that he felt Wilson
    > >>ought to have been impeached.
    > >>
    > >>During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill
    > >>authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45
    > >>to invade enemy territory, Canada . The bill was defeated in the House by
    > >>Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the
    > >>militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the
    > >>regular army and send them out of the country.
    > >>
    > >>The fact is that the President
    > has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from
    > the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA , and not even
    > beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a
    > constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to
    > obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
    > >>
    > >>Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is
    > >>contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917,
    > >>pages 6836-6840 which states: The militia, within the meaning of these
    > >>provisions of the Constitution, is distinct from the Army of the United
    > >>States . In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, that
    > >>the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia
    > >>is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and, thus being
    > >>the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with
    > >>greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and
    > >>limits the power of Congress over it. This limitation upon the power to
    > >>raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the
    > >>framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a
    > >>standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to
    > >>draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a
    > >>useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.
    > >>Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and, if it
    > >>had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of
    > >>citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the
    > >>limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and
    > >>article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to
    > >>restrain the unlimited use of such power.
    > >>
    > >>The Honorable William Gordon
    > >>
    > >>More Info With over 300 Million guns in the United States , the federal
    > >>CORPORATE government (federal gov't defined as corporation under 28 U.S.C.
    > >>Section 3002 (15) and the states are subdivisions of the corporation, 28
    > >>U.S.C. Section 3002 (10), cannot ban arms or stop people from defending
    > >>themselves against a tyrannical government. I read somewhere that just the
    > >>State of North Carolina can call up 20-30 divisions of unorganized militia
    > >>(would be about 200,000-300,000 armed North Carolinians) on a moment's
    > >>notice. Imagine the State of Texas or Oklahoma if that's the case?
    > >>
    > >>Amazingly, even if the US tries to ban all arms through backdoor measures
    > >>like domestic violence laws (Violence Against Women Act, 18 U.S.C. Section
    > >>922 (g)) or through an unconstitutional U.N. declaration adopted by our
    > >>current Marxist unconstitutional Congress, no treaty can supercede the
    > >>Constitution: "This [Supreme]
    > Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the
    > Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1,
    > at pg 17. This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of
    > Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution? Keep reading.
    > The Reid Court ( U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
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    > >>"... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or
    > >>any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the
    > >>Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares,
    > >>"This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in
    > >>pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under
    > >>the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...
    > >>
    > >>"There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws
    > >>enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the
    > >>Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the
    > >>drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result...
    > >>
    > >>"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the
    > >>Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights
    > >>let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition to
    > >>construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power UNDER
    > >>an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions.
    > >>(See: Elliots Debates 1836 ed. pgs 500-519).
    > >>
    > >>"In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a
    > >>manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were
    > >>designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot
    > >>be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined."
    > >>
    > >>Did you understand what the
    > Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive,
    > Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by
    > ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No
    > question!
    > >>
    > >>At this point the Court paused to quote from another of their Opinions;
    > >>Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258 at pg. 267 where the Court held at that time
    > >>that, "The treaty power as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms
    > >>unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument
    > >>against the action of the government or of its departments and those arising
    > >>from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would
    > >>not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution
    > >>forbids, or a change in the character of the government, or a change in the
    > >>character of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the
    > >>latter without its consent." Assessing the GATT/WTO parasitic organism in
    > >>light of this part of the Opinion, we see that it cannot attach itself to its
    > >>host (our Republic or States) in the fashion the traitors in our government
    > >>wish, without our acquiescing to it.
    > >>
    > >>The Reid Court continues with its Opinion:
    > >>"This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress,
    > >>which MUST comply with the Constitution, is on full parity with a treaty, the
    > >>statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null. It would be
    > >>completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the
    > >>Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must
    > >>conform to that instrument."* * The U.S. Supreme court could not have made
    > >>it more clear : TREATIES DO NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION, AND CANNOT, IN ANY
    > >>FASHION, AMEND IT !!! CASE CLOSED.
    > >>
    > >>http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=1902+dick+act*<http://searc
    > >>h.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&amp;fr=aaplw&amp;p=1902+dick+act>*
     

    SGT_Kramer

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    Soo.... A unchangeable law that protects guns and it's called " DICK ACT ".. Sounds cool to me I guess.
     

    Robhic

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    It came in an email so you know it's true.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903

    Why yes. Yes it did. And your point? Putting a URL up that says basically the same thing in a sort of dismissive tone made your day? And Wikipedia, written by God knows who, is such a step up?

    You could have just used the URL provided at the bottom to get the same story. It's true. So?
     

    JNieman

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    I was just reading up on all of that a few days ago when someone tried arguing to me that the 2A only applies to the military and /organized/ militia authorized by the State.

    It caused me to do a lot of reading up on the history of militias in our country. There are /numerous/ sources for direct language of the US Code and the written acts themselves on jstor, cornell.edu, and such indexes of all US law.There are /numerous/ sources for direct language of the US Code and the written acts themselves on jstor, cornell.edu, and such indexes of all US law. Wikipedia is a great start because it provides context and lists of relevant laws and acts of the time, for which you can look up direct text. I found the wiki pages to be pretty good and helpful for these topics, though I also mainly use wiki for the bibliography.

    tl;dr, anyone fit for military service but not in the military is part of the 'unorganized' militia, with few exceptions based on employment. Back in the early 20th, and late 19th century, States declared you don't have to be organized to be part of the militia because not many wanted to be bothered with militia training in their day to day civilian lives.

    tl;dr, it doesn't matter anyways, as numerous Supreme Court explanations have instructed us the Second Amendment was written for more than the militia, and the militia is just one important reason, relevant at the time, that /everyone/ should be able to own, practice, bear, operate, and transport firearms freely, with numerous subsequent ruling explaining the Right for which the Second Amendment prevents Congress (and through incorporation, the States) from infringing upon is a Right that includes basic self defense from enemies foreign and domestic with no mention of a specific scale, whether it be one trespasser or a nation of trespassers.

    tl;dr gun grabbers can go get ****ed.
     
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