SirIsaacNewton
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I don't know if you have heard of the Drake Equation or the Rare Earth Equation but if not you might want to check them out....
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Ragin Cajun
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I guarantee you I can adapt my gumbo recipe to include alien instead of chicken or shrimp. That shiz works both ways.
CloudStrife
Why so serious?
What about the aliens that built the pyramids? They might be friendlies. 
What about the aliens that built the pyramids? They might be friendlies.
These guys? Not so friendly.
CloudStrife
Why so serious?
I was thinking of the Goa'uld. lol I need to finish watching that series.
Question: "How can the light of stars billions of light years away from the earth have reached us if the earth is only thousands of years old?"
Answer: Distant Starlight - A light-year is the maximum distance that light can travel in one year in the vacuum of space. Consequently, it takes billions of years for light to travel billions of light-years through space. From our vantage point here on Earth we can see light from stars that are billions of light-years away. It is reasonable therefore to assume that our universe is at least billions of years old—old enough to give the light from these stars enough time to reach our planet billions of light-years away.
This reasonable assumption contradicts the Young-Earth (YE) perspective which claims that the universe is less than 10,000 years old. If there was not a strong scientific case for the YE perspective, this contradiction would not merit a second thought. The growing body of evidence supporting the YE view is substantial enough, however, to warrant a thoughtful investigation into whether or not this apparent contradiction can be resolved reasonably. And so we ask the question: How can the light of stars billions of light-years away reach the Earth in only a few thousand years?
Gravitational Time Dilation
According to Albert Einstein, space is not the empty “nothingness” that most of us perceive it to be. It is filled with what Einstein called ether. Dictionary.com defines ether as “an all-pervading, infinitely elastic, massless medium.” Everything that exists within the bounds of our universe does so within this massless medium.
As dictionary.com notes, ether is infinitely elastic. It can be stretched and distorted. In order to visualize this, imagine a tightly stretched cloth. This is ether. Now imagine dropping a heavy ball (like a bowling ball) onto the cloth, right in the middle. This would cause the cloth to sag in the middle. The heavy ball represents dense matter, like our planet. Einstein believed that matter causes space to sag, similar to how the heavy ball causes the stretched cloth to sag. These sags in space are known as gravity wells.
Now, if we placed smaller, lighter balls (like marbles) onto the cloth along with the heavy ball, they would roll toward the center, into the sag caused by the heavy ball. Moreover, they would contribute to the overall sagging of the cloth, even if only slightly. This motion towards the center represents gravity. According to Einstein’s view of gravity, if smaller, lighter forms of matter are close enough, they can be drawn into the gravity wells of larger, denser forms of matter. While they each create their own sag in space, some gravity wells are deeper and more influential than others (that is, they generate a stronger gravitational force). One thing they all have in common: they distort time.
In the 1960s, physicists Robert Pound and Glen Rebka experimentally confirmed a theoretical consequence of Einstein’s Theories of Relativity called the Gravitational Time Dilation Effect (GTDE). Pound and Rebka were able to demonstrate that time passes slower for objects the further they travel into a gravity well. For example, Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites are farther away from the Earth than objects on the planet’s surface and are therefore less immersed in the gravity well caused by Earth’s mass. The result is that time passes a little faster for our GPS satellites than it does for us here on the surface since we are deeper inside of the Earth’s gravity well. Atomic clocks aboard the satellites and some stationed here on Earth have been used to detect and measure this difference in the rate of time’s passage.
Likewise, an atomic clock in Greenwich, England (at sea level) records a slower rate of time than the atomic clock in Boulder, Colorado (at 5,430 feet above sea level). At these relatively small altitudinal differences the measurable effect is minor. The effect across the greater cosmos can be much more dramatic. The deeper a gravity well, the stronger the GTDE. In fact, according to General Relativity, time actually stands still at the boundary of a black hole—an area known to scientists as an “event horizon,” where gravity is so intense that even light cannot escape (hence the name “black hole”).
Now, let’s set aside the GTDE for a moment and consider another important astronomical phenomenon: stellar redshifts. Redshifts are a Doppler Effect phenomenon whereby radiational wavelengths (like those of starlight) lengthen as they move further away from an observer. The general consensus among astronomers is that observed stellar redshifts indicate that the universe is expanding (Hubble’s Law). By extrapolating this expansion backwards it becomes apparent that the primordial universe was somewhat denser, more compact than it is today.
In a bounded universe wherein matter has a center and an edge, the material compression as described above would serve to deepen the gravity well caused by the combined mass of the universe. This would intensify the GTDE, causing time to pass much slower near the center of the universe (deeper in the well) than near its edge (nearer the surface of the well).
The implication is paradoxical: Even if the entire universe was created all at once in the beginning (and should therefore be the same age), some parts can be substantially younger than others due to the relativistic nature of time. Light could travel billions of light-years over billions of years in some parts of the universe in what we on Earth would perceive to be a much shorter period of time. As the universe expands and matter spreads out across space, the universal gravity well would gradually even out, lessening the rate of time difference across the universe.
Many astrophysicists and astronomers reject the idea of a bounded universe with our galaxy, the Milky Way, near or at its center. But this is a philosophical presupposition, not a scientific conclusion founded upon empirical data. As world-renown astrophysicist Dr. George F. R. Ellis candidly explained, “People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations... you can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” (W. Wayt Gibbs, “Profile: George F. R. Ellis,” Scientific American, October 1995, Vol. 273, No.4, p. 55)
In summary, the Gravitational Time Dilation Effect is a theoretical solution to the YE problem of distant starlight which, amazingly, reconciles evidence for a young Earth with evidence for an old universe. Many astrophysicists and astronomers reject one of the major foundational suppositions upon which the GTDE explanation rests (a bounded universe with the Milky Way at or near the center), not because of the observable data but because of their philosophical perspectives.
Answer: Distant Starlight - A light-year is the maximum distance that light can travel in one year in the vacuum of space. Consequently, it takes billions of years for light to travel billions of light-years through space. From our vantage point here on Earth we can see light from stars that are billions of light-years away. It is reasonable therefore to assume that our universe is at least billions of years old—old enough to give the light from these stars enough time to reach our planet billions of light-years away.
This reasonable assumption contradicts the Young-Earth (YE) perspective which claims that the universe is less than 10,000 years old. If there was not a strong scientific case for the YE perspective, this contradiction would not merit a second thought. The growing body of evidence supporting the YE view is substantial enough, however, to warrant a thoughtful investigation into whether or not this apparent contradiction can be resolved reasonably. And so we ask the question: How can the light of stars billions of light-years away reach the Earth in only a few thousand years?
Gravitational Time Dilation
According to Albert Einstein, space is not the empty “nothingness” that most of us perceive it to be. It is filled with what Einstein called ether. Dictionary.com defines ether as “an all-pervading, infinitely elastic, massless medium.” Everything that exists within the bounds of our universe does so within this massless medium.
As dictionary.com notes, ether is infinitely elastic. It can be stretched and distorted. In order to visualize this, imagine a tightly stretched cloth. This is ether. Now imagine dropping a heavy ball (like a bowling ball) onto the cloth, right in the middle. This would cause the cloth to sag in the middle. The heavy ball represents dense matter, like our planet. Einstein believed that matter causes space to sag, similar to how the heavy ball causes the stretched cloth to sag. These sags in space are known as gravity wells.
Now, if we placed smaller, lighter balls (like marbles) onto the cloth along with the heavy ball, they would roll toward the center, into the sag caused by the heavy ball. Moreover, they would contribute to the overall sagging of the cloth, even if only slightly. This motion towards the center represents gravity. According to Einstein’s view of gravity, if smaller, lighter forms of matter are close enough, they can be drawn into the gravity wells of larger, denser forms of matter. While they each create their own sag in space, some gravity wells are deeper and more influential than others (that is, they generate a stronger gravitational force). One thing they all have in common: they distort time.
In the 1960s, physicists Robert Pound and Glen Rebka experimentally confirmed a theoretical consequence of Einstein’s Theories of Relativity called the Gravitational Time Dilation Effect (GTDE). Pound and Rebka were able to demonstrate that time passes slower for objects the further they travel into a gravity well. For example, Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites are farther away from the Earth than objects on the planet’s surface and are therefore less immersed in the gravity well caused by Earth’s mass. The result is that time passes a little faster for our GPS satellites than it does for us here on the surface since we are deeper inside of the Earth’s gravity well. Atomic clocks aboard the satellites and some stationed here on Earth have been used to detect and measure this difference in the rate of time’s passage.
Likewise, an atomic clock in Greenwich, England (at sea level) records a slower rate of time than the atomic clock in Boulder, Colorado (at 5,430 feet above sea level). At these relatively small altitudinal differences the measurable effect is minor. The effect across the greater cosmos can be much more dramatic. The deeper a gravity well, the stronger the GTDE. In fact, according to General Relativity, time actually stands still at the boundary of a black hole—an area known to scientists as an “event horizon,” where gravity is so intense that even light cannot escape (hence the name “black hole”).
Now, let’s set aside the GTDE for a moment and consider another important astronomical phenomenon: stellar redshifts. Redshifts are a Doppler Effect phenomenon whereby radiational wavelengths (like those of starlight) lengthen as they move further away from an observer. The general consensus among astronomers is that observed stellar redshifts indicate that the universe is expanding (Hubble’s Law). By extrapolating this expansion backwards it becomes apparent that the primordial universe was somewhat denser, more compact than it is today.
In a bounded universe wherein matter has a center and an edge, the material compression as described above would serve to deepen the gravity well caused by the combined mass of the universe. This would intensify the GTDE, causing time to pass much slower near the center of the universe (deeper in the well) than near its edge (nearer the surface of the well).
The implication is paradoxical: Even if the entire universe was created all at once in the beginning (and should therefore be the same age), some parts can be substantially younger than others due to the relativistic nature of time. Light could travel billions of light-years over billions of years in some parts of the universe in what we on Earth would perceive to be a much shorter period of time. As the universe expands and matter spreads out across space, the universal gravity well would gradually even out, lessening the rate of time difference across the universe.
Many astrophysicists and astronomers reject the idea of a bounded universe with our galaxy, the Milky Way, near or at its center. But this is a philosophical presupposition, not a scientific conclusion founded upon empirical data. As world-renown astrophysicist Dr. George F. R. Ellis candidly explained, “People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations... you can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” (W. Wayt Gibbs, “Profile: George F. R. Ellis,” Scientific American, October 1995, Vol. 273, No.4, p. 55)
In summary, the Gravitational Time Dilation Effect is a theoretical solution to the YE problem of distant starlight which, amazingly, reconciles evidence for a young Earth with evidence for an old universe. Many astrophysicists and astronomers reject one of the major foundational suppositions upon which the GTDE explanation rests (a bounded universe with the Milky Way at or near the center), not because of the observable data but because of their philosophical perspectives.
CloudStrife
Why so serious?
It wouldn't matter how old the Earth is. If I shoot water out of a hose, people can move into its path regardless of where they were when I started.
With that said, young-earth makes no sense unless God was just screwing with us and planted dinosaur bones in the ground, purposely put stars billion of ly away and extended their light to us, and tricked us with carbon dating.
Doesn't time pass more slowly for satellites?
With that said, young-earth makes no sense unless God was just screwing with us and planted dinosaur bones in the ground, purposely put stars billion of ly away and extended their light to us, and tricked us with carbon dating.
Doesn't time pass more slowly for satellites?
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$hit- get real, folks. IF aliens DID show up, they'd quickly learn to exploit our system of gov't and then attempt to claim most of our country as their own.
Holy crap. That's already happening!!!!!!!!
Oh, now you've done it. UFOs and black helicopters are on their way for sure. You should have kept your mouth shut!
The only reason to believe dinosaurs died out millions of years ago is speculation about the ages of rock formations containing their remains, based on unsubstantiated supposition about animals evolving into other kinds of animals over long periods of time.
The assumption that the theory of evolution is true is not an assumption that is strong enough to support the weight of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. The theory of evolution is based on the premise that chemicals somehow came together through a natural process that has never been duplicated in the laboratory to create the first living thing. Attempts to discover and duplicate that unknown process have simply shown why it is unscientific to think that it ever happened.
The theory of evolution also rests upon the premise that after that first living thing came into existence, it reproduced itself. Sometimes it reproduced itself incorrectly, giving itself (among other things) a cardiovascular system by a series of fortunate accidents. Given what we know now, this is scientifically untenable.
Since we never see new organs and body plans arising spontaneously, evolutionists are forced into the position that these changes happen very rarely. Since there are so many differences between a dandelion and a lion, they are forced to postulate long periods of time for these rare events to happen. That’s where the myth that dinosaurs lived (and died) millions of years ago came from.
It isn’t logically valid to say that the supposed dates when dinosaurs lived are evidence of evolution because the supposed dates are derived from the assumption that the theory of evolution is true, and the rate at which it occurs. That is a logical fallacy called "circular logic."
The myth of evolution, when examined in the light of science, is seen to be flawed. The myth that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, when examined in the light of history, is equally weak. It simply seems strong because it has been repeated over and over in National Parks and public schools. Any evidence that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man is dismissed immediately because “everybody knows dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.” Everybody doesn’t know that! It is more accurate to say that “very many people believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.” It is time to examine that belief and see if it is actually true.
Thanks for posting the links!
CloudStrife
Why so serious?
Carbon dating is used to determine the age of fossils, rocks, and everything else that really old. Nothing is assumed there.
The of evolution is... a THEORY, meaning there is strong evidence to support it, but we can't find definite proof. Furthermore, it describes what happened, not why. We can do the same thing with the creation of a human. We can describe what exactly is happening at every stage of development. We can't describe the why with science. That's not its job. Science, in simple terms, is the study of the world around us, not the guiding force behind it all.
The of evolution is... a THEORY, meaning there is strong evidence to support it, but we can't find definite proof. Furthermore, it describes what happened, not why. We can do the same thing with the creation of a human. We can describe what exactly is happening at every stage of development. We can't describe the why with science. That's not its job. Science, in simple terms, is the study of the world around us, not the guiding force behind it all.
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