Louisiana POST Handgun Qualification

[BlueLineIPSC]

Fellow LEO's,

I consider myself an average or slightly above average (at best) handgunner. I'm going through POST right now. We started shooting a couple weeks ago and our POST shoot is this weekend. That being said, I feel like the course is way too simple. After shooting the course 6 or 7 times i'm already shooting near perfect scores. Does anyone else feel like the course needs to be reworked by the state?

 

[swamper]

I'm not LEO, but from the information gleaned here, the current POST qualifications are deemed to be lacking. Take a look see at this thread. Older POST qualification courses were much more rigorous.

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?93279-revolver-for-POST-instructor

 

[JBP55]

Yes it is very basic not only in Louisiana but other states as well. That does not mean you can not use the range to shoot defensive drills which will enhance your shooting skills.
There is a reason it is very basic, read the old thread suggested above.

 

[BlueLineIPSC]

My agency is actually pretty advanced as far as training goes. I'm just more concerned/bothered by the other departments that are pretty laxed as far as only requiring POST qualification. If i'm in a critical incident I definitely don't want to have to rely on someone that barely passed POST with a 96. Hell I'm not even sure I would want to rely on someone that passed with a 110.
I think the course definitely needs to be improved and tightened up a bit.

 

[Commander 007]

Consider this. Some states do not require you to quilify to be a police office. This was just a few years ago may have changed by now.

 

[JBP55]

My agency is actually pretty advanced as far as training goes. I'm just more concerned/bothered by the other departments that are pretty laxed as far as only requiring POST qualification. If i'm in a critical incident I definitely don't want to have to rely on someone that barely passed POST with a 96. Hell I'm not even sure I would want to rely on someone that passed with a 110.
I think the course definitely needs to be improved and tightened up a bit.

You will likely retire without ever firing your pistol in the line of duty. You can do your training but you can not save the World and you are not going to change Reb++++ and P O S T Officials minds about the course. PK tried for years and he was on the P O ST Council.

 

[BlueLineIPSC]

You will likely retire without ever firing your pistol in the line of duty.

Hopefully you are correct.

I'm not the type to try and save the world, but I do think Louisiana is falling short in letting officers out on the streets with these simple qualifications.

 

[JBP55]

Hopefully you are correct.

I'm not the type to try and save the world, but I do think Louisiana is falling short in letting officers out on the streets with these simple qualifications.

This is the basic beginning, continue your training after P O S T. If your Agency does not have qualified Instructors to assist you contact someone who can.
You can go to classes and get additional training from qualified people such as Vanilla Gorilla on this forum.

 

[Just A Number]

The POST qual is simply a measure of basic capability, the agency is supposed to be responsible for follow on advanced training based on several court decisions. The reality is that follow on training varies in quality, frequency and type and in cash poor agencies (pretty much all of LA) it's either non-existent or being taught by the fat ass guy that hasn't been a patrol cop since 1977 which is why you see most guys paying for quality follow on training out of their pockets.

 

[Bayoupiper]

Of course it's simple.

You have to round down.....





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[Vanilla Gorilla]

On the Subject of follow on training; it's discouraging to see the amount of
Money guys will spend on LEDs for their cars, gadgets, guns, etc. and then hear them wail about how they can't/won't spend their own money on training. We bring the very best Firearms Trainers in the World here to La. Does it cost? Sure. Is it worth it? Absolutely.

 

[ejt1469]

and then hear them wail about how they can't/won't spend their own money on training. We bring the very best Firearms Trainers in the World here to La. Does it cost? Sure. Is it worth it? Absolutely.

I've taken a few classes with the VATA Group (I'm not LE); there are always many LEO's in the class.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

We always have cops in our classes to but they are the minority.

 

[MOTOR51]

The post course is set up for a basic standard. I prefer more reality based training and have witnessed perfect score shooters on the post course not hit **** in a real shooting and a guy who shoots 110's go 2 for 2. Shoot the course and then go practice real ****. I will assume that you are fairly new to this LE stuff and you will learn to not sweat the little stuff.


MOTOR51

 

[4sooth]

A quote from a POST instructor circa 1988--"The POST course is designed to allow an unskilled shooter to achieve a numerical score high enough for legal purposes." As it is currently practiced it is a mere demonstration of VERY basic handgun fundamentals and little more. Time limits are huge (for the most part) and I have been present when a rank novice shot a perfect score after one hour of coaching. Courses of fire in other areas of the country are usually similar in format to ours. Departments are not going to bring a recruit up to a high level of skill (what ever that is) due to the high cost in time and ammunition.

 

[blackwater26504]

It's a basic course do like the smart ones and take a class with more high speed training. I rather spend a grand on training that a grand on my damn lights and gadgets. Well maybe a little money on gadgets. Best money ever spent was on 3 years worth of BJJ training.

 

[LA_LEO]

BlueLineIPSC, just dont be the SAC who shoots a 68 on the POST course a year after you get out of the academy! Annual inservice usually shows which Officers that dont practice on there own time. The only time I shoot a POST course is for inservice. Practice shooting like you would have to shoot in a gun fight or to protect yours or someone elses life.

 

[fireworksman3]

I agree. It is called basic for a reason. I went through in 02. I was already well qualified but a lot of guy's on my department were not...and it showed during the course of fire. We were very lucky to have world class instructors like Frank Washington from EBR who did what he was hired to do...get you through POST...the rest was up to us!

 

[JBP55]

I agree. It is called basic for a reason. I went through in 02. I was already well qualified but a lot of guy's on my department were not...and it showed during the course of fire. We were very lucky to have world class instructors like Frank Washington from EBR who did what he was hired to do...get you through POST...the rest was up to us!

Frank and I went through the Basic Academy together a few years back, good guy.