name change #2

[mcinfantry]

i have been calling HIM the 'prophet "o"'

i have been wrong, i must admit. i now refer to HIM, as the "Messiah"

im NOT religious, and i dont go to church, but i know a real leader when i see one (them)


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE[/ame]



if palin were called, mary, or a saint, or some other religious icon, would it be hidden in the news? or shoved down my face?

 

[mcinfantry]

i give you

 

[penguin]

I put about as much stock in what Farafreak has to say as what Billy Graham would have said. Blah blah blah. Both the left and right use religion to prop up their political agendas. Religious leaders should NOT promote either party. Sure, promote the religious agenda that you would like to have seen prosper, but keep the candidates names out of it and don't 'force' your parishoners to vote for one side. I hate that.

 

[mcinfantry]

yeah, i just think its funny, that afaik this is the first OPENLY religious democratic presidential nominee since kennedy.....

and in all fairness, few religions have such a history of hate, as the catholic religion.

 

[penguin]

Hey, we're not full of hate. We just don't like you!! ahahahah

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Can get you a Federal investigation...

The Loft - http://www.gopusa.com/theloft -

Hands up! You're under arrest for saying 'Hussein Obama!'

Posted By Bobby Eberle On October 9, 2008 at 5:57 am

We have seen many changes in this great nation which have been brought about by left wing activists. As kids, we used to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Now, it's being attacked in the courts. We used to say a prayer in the morning before school or at football games. Socialists in America have deemed that "offensive" and the practice has all but disappeared. Christmas displays honoring the birth of Christ trigger convulsions by the Left, who say that we shouldn't make people feel "uncomfortable" with our manger scenes.

Now, we can't even say what we want to say in public because not only will the thought police be on patrol, but, using a recent event in Florida as an example, saying "Hussein Obama" in public might just get you a visit from the FBI. Just ask Florida's Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott who is under fire -- and investigation -- for referring to Obama at a campaign rally by his -- gasp -- full name. What is going on with America?

At a rally in Estero, Florida on Monday for Gov. Sarah Palin, one of the pre-rally speakers was Sheriff Scott. Now, anyone who has been to a political rally knows that the job of the warm-up speakers is to do exactly as the name implies: warm-up the audience. Whether the audience is cheering wildly or booing loudly, the pre-rally speakers are there to wake them up and get them going. So... according to ABC News, Sheriff Scott stepped to the podium and said, "On November 4, let's leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened."

Oh, the shock of it all! Speaking someone's full legal name in public! When asked about the "incident," Sheriff Scott responded by saying:

“I absolutely, unequivocally don’t regret saying it,” Scott told the News-Press on Monday. “In order to be a speaker at this event, I had to give my full name — Michael Joseph Scott — to the Secret Service, even though I’m the sheriff of Lee County. So why would I apologize? Is there some kind of double standard here where I have to give my full name, but I can’t use his?”

“Unless he changed his name, my position hasn’t changed,” said Scott of Obama. “It seems very clear to me that people have one of three stances on this thing: There are those who dislike it, there are those who like it, and there are those who think it’s a whole big deal about nothing, which is where I stand.”

As noted in the Cape Coral Daily Breeze, the Palin campaign responded by issuing the following statement:

“We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.”

Fair enough. If Palin or anyone else wants to say the usage of Barack Hussein Obama is inappropriate, he or she has a right to do so. But Sheriff Scott also has a right to say what he wants to say without fear of reprisal by the government. However, according to a local Florida NBC affiliate, Sheriff Scott's remark has now earned him an investigation by the federal government.

The NBC station reports that officials with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel have started an investigation of the Sheriff under the question of "did he use his position as sheriff to influence an election? If so, he could be in violation of a federal election law called the Hatch Act." The basis the Feds are using is whether Scott was campaigning while on duty and in uniform.

Sheriff Scott responded to the NBC story with the following statement:

"I am on duty 24/7 and 365 whether in or out of uniform. Like every other elected official, I am aware of from President to Governor to State Representatives, etc. We engage in political activities whether for ourselves as candidates or for others. As of this writing, I am unaware of having done anything to generate all this attention other than using the senator's full name."

The question is this... If Sheriff Scott had not said "Barack Hussein Obama," do you really think he would now be under investigation? If you answered "no," then that should send a shiver down your spine, because it means that the government is imposing pressure and creating a public example of Scott for simply saying someone's name.

Whether the investigation leads to charges or legal action is not the point. The point is that government intimidation is being brought to bear for someone exercising his first amendment right to free speech. This is wrong, regardless of whether you think his usage of Barack Hussein Obama was appropriate or not. This is still America, isn't it?

 

[Cajun_Chuck]

^^^ Yikes! ^^^

I just keep thinking about Senator Palpatin.

Democracy dies...with thunderous applause. Bunch of friggen zombie...

 

[penguin]

The NBC station reports that officials with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel have started an investigation of the Sheriff under the question of "did he use his position as sheriff to influence an election? If so, he could be in violation of a federal election law called the Hatch Act." The basis the Feds are using is whether Scott was campaigning while on duty and in uniform.

Funny, the republicans are HUGE proponents of The Hatch Act. "The most restrictive measure was brought about by Republicans in the Senate. It dictates that persons below the policymaking level in the executive branch of the federal government must not only refrain from political practices that would be illegal for any citizen but must abstain from "any active part" in political campaigns."

I guess the GOP doesn't like the measures it previously wanted and campaigned for?? I'm confused.

A proposed amendment, which had the same argument in mind, to permit federal workers' participation in political campaigns passed the House but not the Senate in 1987; in 1990 a similar bill passed both houses but was vetoed by President George H. W. Bush, and the veto override failed in the House.

So what you're saying is that it's ok for a person to (allegedly) violate The Hatch Act so long as they are endorsing the GOP candidate. And it wasn't for use of his middle name. That is, again, more smoke and mirrors. The investigation goes to the heart of this matter - did the elected official violate The Hatch Act. The Hatch Act has nothing to do with middle names. That article is a BS GOP twist on why the investigation is on-going.

 

[howellusn]

The hatch act is why I am not allowed to display any thing political on my vehicle or cubicle at work.. I can talk about it in our classes but cannot mention my views on the election.. This case is as simple as was he in uniform and really that's it.. Unless he came out in uniform or said his dept must vote repub because he is then he has did nothing wrong.

 

[penguin]

He was in uniform, that's why they are looking into it:

The GOP is just twisting it and accusing it of being some liberal agenda because he used Obama's middle name. It has NOTHING to do with that, but it does give them something to talk about other than the issues.

 

[howellusn]

Plain and simple he was in the wrong.. The fact that they are twisting it is the same way the dem's have did all the republican views as well. Its normal and will happen every election.