Random Self Defense Hypothetical

[SpeedRacer]

So let's say you're standing in line at the store, or at an ATM, or whatever. Some thug behind you notices your concealed (or open carry) firearm. Next thing you know, you feel a hand grabbing at your pistol. How does this situation play out?

What if you manage to react fast enough to prevent the thug from grabbing your gun, spin around and take a couple steps back, hand on your weapon. Now he's just standing there looking at you dumb. 3 seconds ago your life was in danger...now there's just an unarmed guy no longer posing a threat. You obviously can't shoot...do you draw on him and hold him there while calling the police? How do you prove he went for your gun, and what crime did he commit?

Or...what if it turns into a real struggle? The two of you are now fighting for the gun in your holster. Could you pull out a BUG or knife and use deadly force? Seems like that could get messy in court...

 

[Ben Segrest]

If they stop, I'd call the cops. If they keep coming, it seems to me that they are still a threat.

 

[BobKaro]

In the first situation, I couldn't really tell you....

I know that in the second situation, in an active struggle for my weapon, I wouldn't be thinking about court. I'd do whatever was necessary to keep the guy off of me and away from my gun.

 

[jphilp87]

Not to think too far outside the box on this one, but most stores and ATMs have cameras... probably got him on camera doing whatever. Take care of yourself and do what is necessary to prevent loss of life or bodily harm.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

If they stop, I'd call the cops. If they keep coming, it seems to me that they are still a threat.

That.

he committed assault, aggravated assault, battery, depending on how hard he tries, attempted murder.

 

[Hitman]

You obviously can't shoot...do you draw on him and hold him there while calling the police?

How do you prove he went for your gun, and what crime did he commit?


The two of you are now fighting for the gun in your holster.

1: If the BG went for your piece and you broke free, took some steps back and now have several steps between you and him. IMO You Draw, and order him to Get Down on the ground etc.etc. Don't threaten to shoot him, you already have your gun drawn, if he hasn't figured that much out, we'll then we won't go there tonight. If he runs, he runs, oh we'll see ya. Threat removed. If he listens, even better. Cops will arrest him. If he charges you, then he has shown that he is willing to cause you death or serious bodily harm AGAIN no matter what equaling a Bad Day for both of you.

2: Camera

3: Then you are fighting for your life. If it stays on the ground and you cannot get up you might have to shoot him to get him off of you. If you do separate, Things change and I would follow the steps I metioned above.

I do enjoy these TDG's but I would like to remind everyone that in real life when it comes to acting with deadly force, If you have had a little bit of training, you will revert to your training. it might look sloppy but your SOP's will come to light. Lot's of people think they know what they will do when something like this will happen and maybe they might, but one things for sure. When it comes time to really fight for your life, you will not fail, you will do whatever is necessary to sustain your life against the one trying to take it. That doesn’t mean you don’t have to train though. Training on the fundamentals and refining SOP’s increase Muscle memory which increases your ability to do all of the above faster and in more control.

 

[SpeedRacer]

That.

he committed assault, aggravated assault, battery, depending on how hard he tries, attempted murder.

What would stop the dude from just running away, never to be seen again? Would you be justified in drawing and holding him at gunpoint until the cops arrive?

 

[Nolacopusmc]

What would stop the dude from just running away, never to be seen again? Would you be justified in drawing and holding him at gunpoint until the cops arrive?

Absolutely, he assualted you and went for your weapon. If I were in uniform, he would most likely be shot. That is considerd a deadly force situation all things being equal.

 

[Hitman]

What would stop the dude from just running away, never to be seen again?

Absolutely, he assualted you and went for your weapon.

Are you referring to the BG running away or the DF question?

From a Civilian Prespective;
How would a civilian stop a fleeing suspect?

 

[Gumbo]

Make sure you have a 55 gallon drum and some bags of cement on hand, and you can do whatever fits your fancy.

 

[posse comatosis]

It is a given in a court of law that someone attempting a gun grab intends to do you harm. You can virtually do anything to the grabber you have to do to stop the grab. There are advantages in such immediate situations to fixed blade knives.

 

[kdick3]

It is a given in a court of law that someone attempting a gun grab intends to do you harm. You can virtually do anything to the grabber you have to do to stop the grab. There are advantages in such immediate situations to fixed blade knives.

Which are illegal to conceal in the state of Louisiana... Correct?

 

[Hitman]

It is a given in a court of law that someone attempting a gun grab intends to do you harm. You can virtually do anything to the grabber you have to do to stop the grab. There are advantages in such immediate situations to fixed blade knives.

Maybe, BUT ONCE YOU SEPERATE from eachother in the tussle, things change.

You can't just seperate, be 10 feet away from eachother, draw your piece and kill him.

Which is why I gave my advice. "IF" you seperate, Draw and Command. If he flees, Great, If he listens Great, if he Charges you defend yourself.

 

[BRLAShooter]

Fixed Blade Knives

Which are illegal to conceal in the state of Louisiana... Correct?

Is this true? I don't plan on carrying my 8 inch buck, but my wife has a small, full tang, fixed blade knife that has a sheath that hangs off of a chain, for wearing under a shirt. The handle hangs down on it so she can reach under her shirt and pull it out quite quickly. Aside from any tactical advantages/disadvantages, Is this legal for her to carry? The blade is 4" long, the knife itself is 8".

 

[FishingBack]

He goes for the gun, I twist away and draw, or repel him physically and draw. Once your hand goes for the free draw he'd better freeze, get down, or turn and run. Once the hand comes up with the weapon he'd better be tailing it. If he makes any threatening motion, including coming forward just 1 inch, I would consider it a threat.

If it's on the ground and he's on top of you, I'd shoot him.