required to stop/cooperate with store security?

[SeventhSon]

Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick its like doing freakin Algebra in here.

Question is asked.
Guy one is apparently an "internet toughguy" because he made a comment.
Guy two calls out guy one as being an internet toughguy.
Guy three actually BECOMES as internet toughguy by calling out an internet toughguy in true internet toughguy fashion.
JBP55 posts something rational.

Just another day at BS.com.

 

[rrussotwo]

You can sue for anything but there's no guarantee you will get anything out of it.

Assuming you're innocent of course.

This depends on if there were witnesses and who they were.

If you were at Walmart in the presence of your boss, and the incident caused you to lose your job, then you're in for a big payday.

If your detainment caused you to miss an interview or a flight, compensation would be in order.

If you were alone and simply got butthurt, you won't get anything unless there is a racial component to it. Then you might.

In the OP story, there seems to be only butthurt present and no actual damages. I don't recall being able to successfully sue for butthurt in Louisiana.

 

[swood]

I had a job in retail security years back...(fun job for the most part). The store I worked for had protocol for detaining that seemed like common sense (and we never had any lawsuits filed)...shoplifting had to be witnessed either on camera or in person (we had booths in each department with the little windows we could watch through(boring)! If shoplifting was witnessed, then two security associates would detain as person was leaving the store and if they ran we chased them. After detaining, we would escort them to the security office and tell the person what was witnessed and call the police. Most times, they admitted and offered to purchase after the fact. We would not search and leave that to the police but sometimes the items would be surrendered (also why we always had two security associates involved). Anyways, all that to say this...if we suspected, we did not detain. Only detained if we were certain. We caught quite a few shoplifters but it was only a drop in the bucket...now Internal theft was a lot more interesting to deal with and sometimes those were a lot harder to catch But the theiving asst. manager who would get on the roof of the store and smoke weed really took the cake (and ate it too)

 

[Hitman]

And if there are witnesses around or maybe even store cameras, you (the store security) would be going to jail in this scenario.

Well it's a sticky situation for sure.

C. As used in this Article, "reasonable under the circumstances" shall be construed in such a manner so as to include the value of the merchandise in question, the location of the store, the length of time taken for law enforcement personnel to respond, the cooperation of the person detained, and any other relevant circumstances to be considered with respect to the length of time a person is detained.

Seems to allow for some wiggle room in allowing the Citizen to refuse to cooperate?

 

[TruBrew]

A friend of mine was accused of shoplifting while leaving a store once. He told the manager that he felt his character was hurt by the public accusation, but would agree to a search if he would be compensated with a $50 store gift card, assuming no stolen goods were found on him. The manager agreed and my friend walked out with an extra $50.

 

[SeventhSon]

A friend of mine was accused of shoplifting while leaving a store once. He told the manager that he felt his character was hurt by the public accusation, but would agree to a search if he would be compensated with a $50 store gift card, assuming no stolen goods were found on him. The manager agreed and my friend walked out with an extra $50.

Winning!

 

[03protege]

....and here I thought he meant that he didn't want his concealed weapon to be discovered.
Never thought he meant he would shoot the guy. I'm so naive

Maybe the OP can clarify?

Seriously, some people on here really enjoy twisting others words.

 

[oleheat]

Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick its like doing freakin Algebra in here.

Question is asked.
Guy one is apparently an "internet toughguy" because he made a comment.
Guy two calls out guy one as being an internet toughguy.
Guy three actually BECOMES as internet toughguy by calling out an internet toughguy in true internet toughguy fashion.
JBP55 posts something rational.

Just another day at BS.com.

WINNER!

 

[Bayoupiper]

Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick its like doing freakin Algebra in here.

Question is asked.
Guy one is apparently an "internet toughguy" because he made a comment.
Guy two calls out guy one as being an internet toughguy.
Guy three actually BECOMES as internet toughguy by calling out an internet toughguy in true internet toughguy fashion.
JBP55 posts something rational.

Just another day at BS.com.

Can't you get anything right?





It's Jumping Jesus On A Pogo Stick!

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[mcinfantry]

And if there are witnesses around or maybe even store cameras, you (the store security) would be going to jail in this scenario.

No they wouldn't.

My opinion is based on actually arresting people, going to court, testifying, and first hand experience.

Do you have any first hand experience in responding to a shoplifting call, detaining or arresting people or jury duty?

 

[JNieman]

I've done it as the security guy in my POS job before.

They were all retarded little pissants that were scared of big hairy me, or just spineless and knew that they were caught and on-camera so just sat there while the cops arrived.

So I don't have any cool stories

 

[Leadfoot]

This thread has made me lose interest due to the lack of name calling, arguing, personal attacks, etc..

We CAN do better, people.

 

[mcinfantry]

I've done it as the security guy in my POS job before.

They were all retarded little pissants that were scared of big hairy me, or just spineless and knew that they were caught and on-camera so just sat there while the cops arrived.

So I don't have any cool stories

Had you stopped a shoplifter that you felt a gun or said he had a gun and he was argumentative, shifty, verbally or physically combative you wouldn't have perceived that to be a threat?

Y'all all love to say
'Fearful of my life'

A known armed suspect is armed....

 

[troy_mclure]

When people are quoted in these confrontations why do try always feel the need to church up the language? Did your friend really say: ...I will defend myself from your illegal assault...? I doubt it.

according to him, he is real big on laws and legal issues with self defense. he has been a hapkido/self defense instructor for almost a decade.

 

[JNieman]

I never had to do more than grab an upper arm, and not even that forcefully.

I never bothered to worry myself with whether they had a gun or not.

If he was argumentative, shifty, verbally or physically combative, I would have just let him go and called the police to handle him, following him out and giving a good description, plate #, direction, prepared video, and gone about my life.

I mean what's the alternative? Risk a beat down with a criminal over a music CD or a copy of Call of Duty? How is that any smarter or noble? You can't sit there and say the presumed-innocent shopper accused of shoplifting is any dumber for resisting than the security guy would be for physically engaging.

 

[JR1572]

No they wouldn't.

My opinion is based on actually arresting people, going to court, testifying, and first hand experience.

Do you have any first hand experience in responding to a shoplifting call, detaining or arresting people or jury duty?

Really?! On here experience doesn't count for anything. He who has the higher post count knows the most.

JR1572

 

[troy_mclure]

he voluntarily sat there waiting for the cops. What the **** went /wrong/ for him at all? Did the mean man say a mean word when he asked him to empty his pockets? Oh the hugemanatee

actually, no. he was blocked in from leaving, and physically threatened. that is a crime called assault.

 

[troy_mclure]

....and here I thought he meant that he didn't want his concealed weapon to be discovered.
Never thought he meant he would shoot the guy. I'm so naive

Maybe the OP can clarify?

yea, i never said anything about shooting anybody. tho if somebody did lay hands on me, a face full of fox labs should fix that issue.

 

[troy_mclure]

If I were store security, thought you were shoplifting, asked you to comply, you refused, got all smart, and I thought you were armed, felt the gun, or you said you were armed... You just escalated the situation to what a reasonable person could feel is a felony.

And I'd smash the **** out of you and tell the cop I was absolutely threatened by an armed shoplifter.

Try it itoughmen.

so me telling you i am legally carrying and will not empty my pockets is a threat to you?

 

[SeventhSon]

So, if a security guard attacks a store patron because he "thinks" the guy might have, maybe, possibly stole something, thats OK and he wont go to jail? Damn, that tin badge has some weight behind it!