Stay motivated to fight against evil...

[thatwhichisnt]

Thats the point I was trying to make. Please put down your Quaran and listen for a few. The muslim insurgents are ill trained. All they do is shoot and scoot, running around with an AK over their head and firing in the general direction of US Forces. The IED's they put up that actually go off have inflicted major damage on supply convoys and patrols. I know, I've lost a few friends. A well trained insurgency working in small groups is more mobile and able to blend in with the indigenous population. A well trained insurgency that knows how the major military force they are opposing works would be even more devastating. But why am I telling you anything. You've read everything you need to know and everything is so clear to you. You would probably welcome the NATO troops with open arms.

Well, obviously the ill-trained troops are kicking the ass of the greatest nation, militarily, in the world for the past 8 years. I would not call that ill-trained at all.

 

[SeventhSon]

Well, obviously the ill-trained troops are kicking the ass of the greatest nation, militarily, in the world for the past 8 years. I would not call that ill-trained at all.

Look at the body count on both sides and tell me that.

 

[thatwhichisnt]

I've read the Bible and the Koran, thanks. You're not the only "enlightened one" on these boards. I have no problem saving the nation I fought for through legal means, I just dont have my head buried so deep in the sand that I do not see the storm clouds on the horizon.

You see, while you have only seen those "sci-fi" weapons on the Modern Warfare game you got for Christmas, I fought along side them, rode in them, hell, even shot a lot of them. It's more fun then shooting your TV screen with a plastic "gun". So you can go on believing the crap you read in the New York Times and watch on CNN and keep listening to all your Muslim buddies talk **** about the United States, but until you put your life on the line to serve this country, you are just another "war protester" who doesnt know dick about the world unless he reads it in a text book.

I for now on shall bow at your alter, most holy and patriot one.


You know, just because you served doesn't make you any more intelligent than the rest of us.

 

[thatwhichisnt]

Look at the body count on both sides and tell me that.

You can not only judge it by body count. We are still having trouble, the mightiest power, beating people in a 3rd world country. How can you explain that? Their tactics are superior that ours apparently.

 

[SeventhSon]

You know, just because you served doesn't make you any more intelligent than the rest of us.

You're right. I just know more about what I saw over there. CNN aint telling you everything.

 

[SeventhSon]

You can not only judge it by body count. We are still having trouble, the mightiest power, beating people in a 3rd world country. How can you explain that? Their tactics are superior that ours apparently.

Read some of my last postings and get back to me. I've already said that an insurgency can inflict major damage on a militarily superior force. Their tactics suck, but when you dont care about dying for your cause, tactics dont matter much. The point of tactics is to destroy your enemy and survive to fight another day.

 

[bkeach]

My original inquisition was not one regarding a force to combat our goverment if need be, but an organized group of people which openly proclaims an agressive stance against millitant islam. Jihad in america is a silent war. One which is utilizing our weakened socialistic government to implement legislature. In the name of tolerance our liberties are being sacrificed thru 'hate speech' laws on the alter of political correctness. I believe sharia law is much more dangerous then our government, because it is successfully eliminating the most important right we have, the right to free speech. What does one do when they cannot freely express their thoughts?

 

[CEHollier]

You can not only judge it by body count. We are still having trouble, the mightiest power, beating people in a 3rd world country. How can you explain that? Their tactics are superior that ours apparently.

Wrong grasshopper. If we fought as ruthless and coldblooded as they do we could kill everything that breathes. We are restrained.

 

[SeventhSon]

Wrong grasshopper. If we fought as ruthless and coldblooded as they do we could kill everything that breathes. We are restrained.

Amen to that. If the high command were to "unleash hell" and suspend the articles of war, that place would be a wasteland with hardly a soldier needing to be on the ground, but trying to win the hearts and minds is more important in the long run.

We could have destroyed every village we came across when I was there. Instead, we drilled water wells, built schools and hospitals, and brought medical attention. That's what Seabee's do. But, according to some on this board, we (America) are just ruthless killing machines hell bent on world domination.

 

[Born4spd]

We cant kill them, then we can't sell them french fries burgers and put walmarts over there.......



I think everyone should put away the dick rulers.

 

[SeventhSon]

We cant kill them, then we can't sell them french fries burgers and put walmarts over there.......



I think everyone should put away the dick rulers.

It'll take me a while to fold mine up......give me a few.

 

[CEHollier]

What kind of world would it be if the muslim countries had our power and our might? Would their be a Christian left alive in this world? Imagine how dark this world would be. Picture Afghanistan under the taliban world wide.

 

[Yrdawg]

OP......

Little did u no

But it turns good, I'm feelin better about a lot of those around me, I agree that the purpose of armed resistance is to live to fight another day, I am just not that wild about that live to fight another day thing, if I do good but if not at least I picked my way and maybe even my day to die

Not young enuff to be a lot of help here, half crippled and all that, but the heart is still workin and would call a Christian Warriors death a good way out...much better than dying as a beat down wanna be wishing I'd had the balls to fight

Once you decide that life is more important than freedom u probably won't be able to get te freedom back

 

[Mjolnir]

I've read the Bible and the Koran, thanks. You're not the only "enlightened one" on these boards. I have no problem saving the nation I fought for through legal means, I just dont have my head buried so deep in the sand that I do not see the storm clouds on the horizon.

You see, while you have only seen those "sci-fi" weapons on the Modern Warfare game you got for Christmas, I fought along side them, rode in them, hell, even shot a lot of them. It's more fun then shooting your TV screen with a plastic "gun". So you can go on believing the crap you read in the New York Times and watch on CNN and keep listening to all your Muslim buddies talk **** about the United States, but until you put your life on the line to serve this country, you are just another "war protester" who doesnt know dick about the world unless he reads it in a text book.

But have you read the Talmud? If so, which edition? There are several who seem to be aware of what I'm aware of and I'm certain others know but just don't say anything. As for storm clouds, please... what do you read, sir? Foreign Affairs, JINSA, The Economist, the Financial Times, Contact, AFP? The sources you mention are Mainstream. Check out the ownership and board of directors; then track their affiliations and ask if they represent America's best interests.

Oh, and you most certainly didn't "ride with EM weaponry and the other 'sci fi toys'" I obliquely referenced and I've yet to read and/or watch anything about it in the Media. So don't act as if you know. You don't. And I don't play computer warfare games, either. I can find other ways to entertain myself while fighting for the nation. Maybe you can't understand.

It's also very revealing that you think you know anything just because you went to war. Give it a break. The real war you probably are totally oblivious to... while you fought for stealing another nation's natural resources and for proposed oil and gas pipelines. Yeah, I hate to break it to you so bluntly as I was hoping you'd calm down a bit but pride goes before fall. And the sophomoric quality of thought - such as you've just exhibited here especially with this gem of fetid crap: "until you put your life on the line to serve this country, you are just another "war protester" who doesnt know dick about the world unless he reads it in a text book." - indicates a total lack of reasoning. And before you claim, "I fought for your freedoms" let me stop you from lying. You did not. That's right. You didn't. You weren't born when that statement could be remotely true. If you did "fight for my freedom" you would not have been soldiering, despite the propaganda. The battle for liberty will NOT likely be won with physical weaponry. The current war is a war of Ideas (implemented) via Godly action.

You're accurate (somewhat) in your assessment that the US military did not go "all out". Well, we did go "all out" within the bounds of our POLITICAL & ECONOMIC GOALS which did/does not entail using the full MILITARY CAPABILITY. And rightfully so as it was about natural resources not "retaliation". If ones were to directly challenge this gov't from within you can bet your sweet ass nothing would be held back from destroying them to intimidate anyone(s) who might be thinking the same. There is a document you should read titled "Civil Insurrection in America and Government Countermeasures: The Official Papers" by Bradley Moscrip. It's a .pdf and well worth everyone's time.

Here is an odd source (sometimes correct in some ways and other times out in left field from what I can tell) that in this instance brings up some very interesting points. I don't buy the title (there is no way in Hell to verify it and it's a bit sensational) but the links are valid. How well do they support the title? I don't know but the TRENDS are more important to me than the speculation. Here you go: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1313.htm

But back to my initial observations: With our Ranger battallions abroad I think we're *in* trouble and would be in trouble if the scenario I've painted comes to fruition. Yes, you could assist and assist greatly but to what end effect? Especially without resupply, medical attention, air cover, etc., etc. Without any US troops absorbing, countering and disciplining those of us who would gladly enter the fray the US Government's allies would not hesitate to enter at the Government's request. Russia, it seems, will be holding the key - or at least factions within Russia. There will be no assistance from Europe, Central and South America, Canada and I don't foresee China assisting us, either. The question is would they bail us out again (referencing Russia's involvement in the US Civil War for those who don't know).

 

[Yrdawg]

But have you read the Talmud? If so, which edition? There are several who seem to be aware of what I'm aware of and I'm certain others know but just don't say anything. As for storm clouds, please... what do you read, sir? Foreign Affairs, JINSA, The Economist, the Financial Times, Contact, AFP? The sources you mention are Mainstream. Check out the ownership and board of directors; then track their affiliations and ask if they represent America's best interests.

Oh, and you most certainly didn't "ride with EM weaponry and the other 'sci fi toys'" I obliquely referenced and I've yet to read and/or watch anything about it in the Media. So don't act as if you know. You don't. And I don't play computer warfare games, either. I can find other ways to entertain myself while fighting for the nation. Maybe you can't understand.

It's also very revealing that you think you know anything just because you went to war. Give it a break. The real war you probably are totally oblivious to... while you fought for stealing another nation's natural resources and for proposed oil and gas pipelines. Yeah, I hate to break it to you so bluntly as I was hoping you'd calm down a bit but pride goes before fall. And the sophomoric quality of thought - such as you've just exhibited here especially with this gem of fetid crap: "until you put your life on the line to serve this country, you are just another "war protester" who doesnt know dick about the world unless he reads it in a text book." - indicates a total lack of reasoning. And before you claim, "I fought for your freedoms" let me stop you from lying. You did not. That's right. You didn't. You weren't born when that statement could be remotely true. If you did "fight for my freedom" you would not have been soldiering, despite the propaganda. The battle for liberty will NOT likely be won with physical weaponry. The current war is a war of Ideas (implemented) via Godly action.

You're accurate (somewhat) in your assessment that the US military did not go "all out". Well, we did go "all out" within the bounds of our POLITICAL & ECONOMIC GOALS which did/does not entail using the full MILITARY CAPABILITY. And rightfully so as it was about natural resources not "retaliation". If ones were to directly challenge this gov't from within you can bet your sweet ass nothing would be held back from destroying them to intimidate anyone(s) who might be thinking the same. There is a document you should read titled "Civil Insurrection in America and Government Countermeasures: The Official Papers" by Bradley Moscrip. It's a .pdf and well worth everyone's time.

Here is an odd source (sometimes correct in some ways and other times out in left field from what I can tell) that in this instance brings up some very interesting points. I don't buy the title (there is no way in Hell to verify it and it's a bit sensational) but the links are valid. How well do they support the title? I don't know but the TRENDS are more important to me than the speculation. Here you go: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1313.htm

But back to my initial observations: With our Ranger battallions abroad I think we're *in* trouble and would be in trouble if the scenario I've painted comes to fruition. Yes, you could assist and assist greatly but to what end effect? Especially without resupply, medical attention, air cover, etc., etc. Without any US troops absorbing, countering and disciplining those of us who would gladly enter the fray the US Government's allies would not hesitate to enter at the Government's request. Russia, it seems, will be holding the key - or at least factions within Russia. There will be no assistance from Europe, Central and South America, Canada and I don't foresee China assisting us, either. The question is would they bail us out again (referencing Russia's involvement in the US Civil War for those who don't know).

I haven't been talked down to yet today, so hear this

My belief is that a fight won with words is not finally won

Both you guys have valid points but it boils down to this:
That unless and until you have defeated your enemy physicaly and until he has not the spirit to retaliate there s no victory

So for all the egghead psycobabble its just that.....no battle will be won with words and until freedom is really worth more than life in your heart, theres no place in the fight for U ( or anone else )

This not intended to solve the current debate but food for thought for talking point patriots and it's my plumb line for all debte over freedoms lost in my country

 

[SeventhSon]

Thank you yrdawg, I really didn't feel like trying to figure out which college textbook he "read" this out of. I'm done with this twit. Those who cant, teach. And those who wont, read about it in books and spew psychobabble over the internet.

As for freedoms Mjolnir, nope, I didn't fight for yours bro. You are all too willing to give yours up anyway. I fought for theirs, and everyone I met over there that wasn't shooting at us thanked us. I had a little Iraqi boy tell me and some buddies that he never had running water before. I had a teenage A-Stan girl tell us that she has never been to school before because the "Taliban" wouldnt let girls go to school. These are the people that I and so many others fought for(but mostly, we just fought for each other), and there "leaders" are the ones that you argue on behalf of. But to you, it was all about the oil and how evil America was to go over there.

I already know what you are. Your disdain for "Christians" and "evil America" is all over every post you write, so keep on doing what you're doing. Now, I'm finding humor in your ranting. Sci fi weapons in secret bunkers, evil governments hell bent on world domination, your Muslim "friends" in Detroit who hate America? Fun stuff. Look, I can get into a good conspiracy theory too and I agree that our government is overstepping the line by a wide margin, but your Illuminati, secret new world order reads of a third National Treasure movie. Get out of your parents basement, put down the PS3, stop taking what your college professors say as gospel, and open your eyes.

 

[flemgunner]

ya know one thing that drives me nuts about the "iraq was for oil" crowd. You do realize they were shooting at us in the no fly zones right? Probably not as you werent anywhere around. I know, I know, "going to war doesnt make you a better judge of why we are there or doesnt make you know anymore about our "wonder weapons". While that is true, you definitely get a good idea of why you want to kill the enemy. Also heres something for ya. If you believe what you read/see on TV about our "wonder weapons" you are a fool. There is stuff out there but if you actually knew about it youd **** yourself

 

[oleheat]

bah! Only suicidal fools have wet dreams about PHYSICALLY fighting NATO. That's right, boys and girls, NATO. We're a NATO member and Article 5 would be utilized to CRUSH any resistance. China would also petition to join in to protect her considerable assets. You think our local and state LEOs are jackbooted thugs, do you? Well, what do you think the TROOPS who will rape, pillage and plunder would be like?

Oh, yes, you've got a carbine and some mags and some ammo and a Magpul video and you've done some weapons handling drills. Yeah, right! Our homes can be burned; hell, your entire neighborhood is nothing but kindling. We're divided by all manner of fictitiousness and without electricity most Americans would simply lie down and beg. And have you ever peered into the heavens on a very clear night? No? You should.

Forget about your carbine/rifle/pistol/shotgun. It will only get you killed with respect to this conversation. And the entire neighborhood will be stood upon due to your lack of good judgement.

Under Bush's reign the pieces were being put into place. Under Obama nothing (that I recognize) is being done to undo what has been put in place.

If it comes to a shooting conflict we'll require outside assistance. Who will assist us? Any idea? It won't be from a NATO or EU member nation - that's for damned sure.

You guys better start thinking.

Oleheat doing 85 in traffic right now rushing all his weapons to the nearest disposal site....

 

[bkeach]

The battle for liberty will NOT likely be won with physical weaponry. The current war is a war of Ideas (implemented) via Godly action.

Godly actions are that of Love. Remove the plank in your own eye. All I have seen are proud puffed up statements from you. It seems you enjoy displaying your aptitude, but Godly actions are not shown by displaying mens wisdom. (Cor13) We are all brothers made in the likeness of the same creator. God bless brother.

 

[jrfount]

I have a comment that may not directly add to the conversation but that I find to be incredibly true and insightful:

Mjolnir seems to have very few views common to many others on this board, takes great pride in stirring up the $hi@ pot, and suceeds in being more annoying than a crying 2 year old on a 4 hour flight.