Why Muslim bash?

[penguin]

I've served with a number of them. I know a number of them. It's a discredit to say that the majority or all of them are out to kill Americans. The same was said about Italians, Irish, etc. when they came to America. I'm not saying that there aren't alot of Muslim extremists. But they aren't all that way. If you don't agree I challenge you to sign up and give your life for America like he did:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081021/pl_mcclatchy/3078971

WASHINGTON — "Joe the Plumber" was only one of two Americans injected into the presidential election this past week. The other was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan , whom former Secretary of State Colin Powell invoked in his endorsement Sunday of Barack Obama .

Khan was a 20-year-old soldier from Manahawkin, N.J. , who wanted to enlist in the Army from the time he was 10. He was an all-American boy who visited Disney World after he completed his training at Fort Benning, Ga. , and made his comrades in Iraq watch "Saving Private Ryan" every week.

He was also a Muslim who joined the military, his father said, in part to show his countrymen that not all Muslims are terrorists.

"He was an American soldier first," said his father, Feroze Khan . "But he also looked at fighting in this war as fighting for his faith. He was fighting radicalism."

Khan was killed by an improvised explosive device in August 2007 along with four other soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter while searching a house in Baqouba, Iraq . He's one of four Muslims who served in Iraq or Afghanistan and are buried in Arlington National Cemetery , where 512 troops from those wars now rest.

About 3,700 of the U.S. military's 1.4 million troops are Muslims, according to Defense Department estimates.

Khan, a child of immigrant parents from Trinidad , was 14 when the Sept. 11 attacks happened. Feroze Khan said he remembered his son watching in stunned silence: "I could tell that inside a lot of things were going through his head."

Three years later, Feroze honored his son's request and allowed him to enlist him in the Army . "I told him: 'You are going to the Army .' I never said there is a war going on in a Muslim country. I didn't want him to get any ideas that he was fighting (against) his religion."

Feroze kept his fears for his son's safety to himself.

His son was assigned to the Stryker Brigade Combat Team out of Fort Lewis, Wash. , deployed to Iraq in 2006 and fought on Baghdad's Haifa Street , a Sunni insurgent stronghold.

His tour was extended as part of the surge of additional U.S. forces to Iraq , and he called or messaged home often until he was deployed to restive Diyala province, where he was under fire too often to contact home regularly.

But he prayed every day, his father said.

One Sunday morning, his son sent an instant message: "Hey Dad. Are you there?" Feroze Khan was out, and he saw the message when he returned.

A few hours later, his ex-wife called. Soldiers had knocked on her door in Maryland . Their only child was dead.

A few minutes later, soldiers appeared at Khan's door. "I guess it helped that I knew beforehand," he said. "There are no words to describe it."

Kareem Khan was a month from finishing his tour when he was killed.

On Sunday, Powell said that Khan's sacrifice and service had swayed him to discuss the way that Muslims have been portrayed in the presidential campaign, and the contention that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Obama "is a Christian," Powell said. "He has always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, 'What if he is?' Is there something wrong with being Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That is not America." He added: "I am troubled that within the (Republican) Party we have these kinds of expressions" suggesting that Obama is a Muslim, and that if he is, he likely associates with terrorists.

Powell said that he felt strongly about the issue after he saw a photo of Khan's tombstone in the New Yorker magazine . In the black-and-white picture, Khan's mother is resting her head on her son's tombstone. On each side of the stone are flowers, and in between is a copy of the Quran. On the face of the tombstone is a crescent and star, indicating that the soldier buried there is a Muslim.

 

[Swampy]

Those damn Irish are out to destroy this world...



And dont even get me started on the Wops.....

 

[penguin]

I gots my paperz!

 

[Asc.rudeboy]

i got my papers to ,and im married to the irish,,haha thats why god invented beer,,,so the irish wouldnt take over,,,one sterotyp is true,,irish women get mad as hell

 

[LACamper]

He is a muslim, otherwise he would have denied it. Muslims as individual people are OK, I know a few even. Nice people.
Muslims as an organization, a religion, are a problem. They preach that we are infidels and that we can be lied to, and that we (Christians) either need to convert or be killed. They are taking over Europe. They control the middle east already, except for that thorn in their side, Israel.
If Obama was a muslim and was proud of it I would be kess concerned. He has avoided the question and that bothers me. Its a lie of omission. It makes him an unknown, unpredictable.
I'm worried about Israel if Obama gets elected. Iran will attack. I doubt with Obama as president, and with two other wars going on (and a financial crunch), we will not get involved, or more likely, we'll do it in name only. Israel will go nuclear for thier own survival, and the rest of the world will turn their back on them. The middle east will unite against Israel under one leader and he'll have years to consolidate power before we have to stop him. Americans will die in in large numbers down the road because we elected Obama. Oh, there's the little detail of the US trying to cut back on buying foreign oil. That can't make the middle east exactly happy with us now...
There are lots of other countries we are about to have issues with. China? They want their 6 Trillion dollars back. Obama wants to have more influence in Africa. Chavez will test Obama also. The Russians are getting frisky again, and working with Chavez. We won't have a shooting war, but it costs us financially to play with the Russians (Reagan would have appreciated that). Cuba?

Anyway, having an unknown in the White House know will encourage all of our enemies to test us, or at least him. Obama is an unknown. A republican will be expected to respond as Bush did. Are these thoughts right? Who knows, I guess we'll find out...

How the Islamics will respond to a woman president will be interesting.

What I don't get is how the feminist aren't behind Palin. They've wanted a woman in office for decades...

 

[Manimal]

I don't care about his religion. I care about his politics.

 

[sylvest]

He is a muslim, otherwise he would have denied it. Muslims as individual people are OK, I know a few even. Nice people.
Muslims as an organization, a religion, are a problem. They preach that we are infidels and that we can be lied to, and that we (Christians) either need to convert or be killed. They are taking over Europe. They control the middle east already, except for that thorn in their side, Israel.
If Obama was a muslim and was proud of it I would be kess concerned. He has avoided the question and that bothers me. Its a lie of omission. It makes him an unknown, unpredictable.
I'm worried about Israel if Obama gets elected. Iran will attack. I doubt with Obama as president, and with two other wars going on (and a financial crunch), we will not get involved, or more likely, we'll do it in name only. Israel will go nuclear for thier own survival, and the rest of the world will turn their back on them. The middle east will unite against Israel under one leader and he'll have years to consolidate power before we have to stop him. Americans will die in in large numbers down the road because we elected Obama. Oh, there's the little detail of the US trying to cut back on buying foreign oil. That can't make the middle east exactly happy with us now...
There are lots of other countries we are about to have issues with. China? They want their 6 Trillion dollars back. Obama wants to have more influence in Africa. Chavez will test Obama also. The Russians are getting frisky again, and working with Chavez. We won't have a shooting war, but it costs us financially to play with the Russians (Reagan would have appreciated that). Cuba?

Anyway, having an unknown in the White House know will encourage all of our enemies to test us, or at least him. Obama is an unknown. A republican will be expected to respond as Bush did. Are these thoughts right? Who knows, I guess we'll find out...

How the Islamics will respond to a woman president will be interesting.

What I don't get is how the feminist aren't behind Palin. They've wanted a woman in office for decades...

couldnt have said it any better

i wish you were wrong......i really wish things were better and obama would be better. but i can **** in one hand and wish in the other..........

 

[scubasteve]

Why are Mulims held in contempt by Americans? Have you been hiding under a rock for the last 30 years? You were IN the Marines. Did anybody ever mention Beirut to you?

 

[LACamper]

One other thing bothers me about muslims- suicide bombers! If you're fanatical enough to blow yourself up, and your religion encourages it, then that's an issue...

 

[Asc.rudeboy]

muslims as a whole,have a way of over reacting,and over reacting with violence,,look at the weeks of rioting that went on in england,,burning cars and destroying property for nights and nights...

look at the reaction to the cartoon that was drawm..

look at how many "normal everyday" muslims,doctors, lawers,cab drivers, store owners,,who might not take part in a terrorist act but have to problem sending money to fund camps..

i just find it hard to believe that the world just picks on them seeing how,no matter what country they are in,violence seems to follow..and its not on a indevidual basis its always large scale,,because they as a people and relegion tend to stay together,,right or wrong

 

[Screaming Eagle]

I have a good friend in London who grew up in a Muslim home. She never really had any choice and just 'received' it as family tradtion. She converted to Christianity several years ago. Believe me when I tell you that those who are forgiven much, love much. By way of explanation, the same is true for many other Muslims. While there are people who actively seek to convert to Islam, their 'growth' rate is largely due to birth rates. Kurdistan may be one of the best examples. A culturally diverse group of people in Northern Iraq who do not consider themselves to be Arabs (mainly because they aren't) and do not consider themselves to be 'Persians' (again, because they are not). And yet, they're considered to be 'Muslim' because that's what's been handed down to them. They've never really had a true choice as a 'people group'.
Having said that, islam as a whole is a different story. Lying is part of the territory and they actually encourage actively lying in public if they think it is necessary to further 'their' cause. And there are elements of islam that clearly have nefarious purposes and they're willing to sacrifice their lives in some (foolish) promise of reward for doing so.
What we, as Christians, must ask ourselves is 'are we willing to represent Christ in that same way'. Make no mistake about it. On the surface the struggle with islam is about economics, land etc. This is a spiritual battle that must be won in prayer while recognizing the schemes of the true enemy to keep millions of people in bondage and poverty. They will certainly use the liberty freely bestowed in Western society as a weapon against us by instituting 'laws' at various levels and forcing us to 'honor' their agenda our of our goodness. That's what happened in Lebanon, is happening in Europe as we speak and the foot is in the door for the same thing to happen in this country. Texas, for example, is honoring a 'form' of sharia law in mediation because there is no provision in their state constitution that would enable them to resist it.
I remember when I was in basic training at Ft Polk in 1973, there were 2? muslims in our company that insisted on praying daily toward Mecca. Our whole unit (over the objections of our growling drill sergeant) had to stop and be silent for a minute or so several times daily just so these guys could pray according to their religion. Think about this. The U.S. Army stopped what it was doing to honor their religious requests.
Once that seed is planted, it will grow and the end is ugly. Staying alert in prayer and watching carefully should be on top of our agenda today. That includes spreading the Truth about Obama so that 'our' people can make legitimate choices.

 

[jimdana1942]

Yes, I agree, there are many good in every group and religion throughout the world. HOWEVER, that is why good people, such as we in America, usually, as history has proved, will oneday be defeated and fade into oblivion. We forget how to fight a war against an enemy that has sworn to defeat us, the Muslims. It's not the good in their religion that we need to fear but their religion as a whole.

Real WAr is always about destroying property and killing people, nothing else. If you fail to do that when fighting your enemies you will always lose the WAR. You cannot be "surgical" in your battles against your foes, or, you will lose the WAR.

Everytime civilians are injured or killed in Iraq or Afghanistan the worlds media comes down on us. Then, we investigate our soldiers. Then we punish some of them. Had we done this in WW2 we would have lost the WAR. WE do it now and we will lose these WARS.

The Muslims have sworn to annihilate us, every man, woman, and child. If we fail to take massive action against ALL of them then we will be to blame for our downfall.

 

[penguin]

I see all of your opinions. We should be proactive and kill every muslim. That makes much more sense. I mean, they are going to do it to us, so we should be proactive! Why should we be any different than them. Heck, Stalin and Hitler used the same excuses against the Jews... It's funny when people on here lambast Obama for being a so called communist/socialist then want to push their political views which are blatantely totalitarian and then don't see the problem with that...

 

[Asc.rudeboy]

I see all of your opinions. We should be proactive and kill every muslim. That makes much more sense. I mean, they are going to do it to us, so we should be proactive! Why should we be any different than them. Heck, Stalin and Hitler used the same excuses against the Jews... It's funny when people on here lambast Obama for being a so called communist/socialist then want to push their political views which are blatantely totalitarian and then don't see the problem with that...

i didnt say be proactive and kill anyone,,,
all i said was as a group they act the ass,and they tend to act the ass more so then other groups and violently,and if they arnt the ones acting the ass, because of their faith a large amount of them will protect the ones that are acting the ass...and thats the simple truth


if it was my way,,,no one would be allowed to tell another person what relegion they are,,,that way no one would know they were saposed to hate each other...because of the "if you ant like me you can hang from a tree" mentality is world wide......

people like me who have lost their faith sit back and wonder how the hell can people kill over their invesible freind..

 

[SimonJester308]

To many people have been murdered "in the name of God/Allah". Christians are no better or worse than Muslims. Two sides of the same coin. Before anyone here goes off on an emotional hissyfit, they better look up some history. Everyones relationship with their Creator is very personal, and honorable. The ideal is when we respect others as we would want to be respected, but we dont and thats were the BS starts.

 

[Manimal]

I pray for an Asteroid or a Comet to hit the Earth & to wipe out about 7/10ths of the population indiscriminately. My family, and roots, are White and Christian...but some of the biggest pieces of **** that I have ever met are White Christian people of that culture and those roots.

We're not special, great, people...we're people, just like the rest.

I pray for that Asteroid b/c it is a big neutral bad guy that will kill everyone, and not a person, religion, culture, or anything else. Everyone can hate it and not hurt one another over it, unless they go to war over who they blame...which surely some ****nut fanatics would but hopefully not the 'masses' that are left.

A lot of people need to die, a lot of culture needs to face hard times, a lot of technology needs to be destroyed, a lot of religions need to humble themselves, a lot of governments need to crumble, and a lot of ways of thought need a reality check.

Just my opinions.

 

[SimonJester308]

Manimal, Its sounds to me like what you want this asteroid to be about is "change". You're in luck, Obama has the power to answer your prayer, because unlike the rest of us he is "a special, great people". With the magic Oprah has empowered him with, he can alter the path of that asteroid you seek, and with his magnetic personality bring forth the reality check that big ol' rock from the sky will bring. In fact even the word asteroid rhymes with Obama, I read that in the Bible yesterday. So to bring about that Cosmic Reset Button you're looking for, all you have to do is Vote for Obama, and the blessings will manifest themselves faster than you can change magazines.

 

[jimdana1942]

Well, let me add this---yes, there are bad people of every religion and of every nationality on earth. But I am an American, this is where I live and all my family and friends. I wish the world were different and we could all get along but that would be a case of ignoring history and a failure to grasp what is coming for the near future. All said and done, I would rather America remain forever but I am afraid that there are so many apathetic people in America that we will go the way of the Roman empire.

It's ashame that, because of apathy and ignorance. that we will all have to suffer the consequences.

Just look your children and grandchildren in the eye and tell them everything is going to be okay, and then turn around and do nothing to make sure they will be okay.

 

[Manimal]

I'd rather 'this' America crumble today. If it were a Constitutional America still I'd want it to go on forever. 'This' America is no better than the EU or UK...I just live here, so I like it more.

 

[Trent2]

This might work for the Muslim terrorists.
Snopes lists it as undetermined. Still worth a try, besides; it'll help out the price of pork!

[Drogin, 2001]

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham (D-Fla.) cited as an example a dinner he attended last week with people who work on intelligence issues and have connections to the intelligence community. The dinner conversation ranged in part on how U.S. military commander "Black Jack" Pershing used Islam's prohibition on pork to help crush an insurgency on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao after the Spanish-American War at the turn of the last century.

In one instance, Graham explained in an interview, U.S. soldiers captured 12 Muslims. They killed six of them with "bullets dipped into the fat of pigs."

After that, Graham said, the U.S. soldiers wrapped the Muslim rebels in funeral shrouds made of pigskin and "buried them face down so they could not see Mecca. Then they poured the entrails of the pigs over them. The other six were forced to watch. And that was the end of the insurrection on Mindanao," Graham noted.