Why no Serpa holsters?

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  • Nomad.2nd

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    Why no Serpa holsters?
    An answer from our friend Paul Gomez: “Over the last year, I have developed some serious concerns with the Blackhawk Serpa Active Retention holster design. Various persons have brought these concerns to the attention of Blackhawk on several occasions and Blackhawk has chosen to ignore these very real issues.

    The ‘Serpa Active Retention’ design consists of a plastic L-shaped component which functions as the release button [from the outside of the holster] and as the lock [which engages inside the trigger guard]. The short leg of the L-shaped lever pivots inward [toward the pistol], while the locking tab pivots outward to release the pistol from the holster.

    According to the Blackhawk website, ”The release is made using your normal drawing motion, with the trigger finger beside the holster body. … As your trigger finger naturally comes to rest on the SERPA lock’s release mechanism, simply push the mechanism as you draw the weapon and it releases the gun for a smooth, fast draw.”

    While Blackhawk may intend for the end-user to apply inboard pressure with the flat of the index finger, under stress, shooters tend to push the button with the tip of their index finger. After all, this is the manner in which most people have the most repetitions pushing buttons such as keys on a keypad or phone or ringing doorbells. When the finger pushes in on the release button and the user initiates the upward motion of the draw stroke, the finger tends to stay in motion and as the trigger guard clears the holster, the finger enters the trigger guard and contacts the trigger, with possibly tragic results.

    I am aware of two instances where trained personnel have shot themselves using this holster in conjunction with Glock pistols. In August of 2004, a situation occurred with a live weapon that resulted in the shooter losing a 10cm piece of her femur. The other occurred with nonlethal training ammunitions in a force-on-force event in April of 2005. The impact of the NLTA was in the same area as the actual gunshot wound previously mentioned.

    Following each of these events, Blackhawk was contacted and advised of the problems observed and concerns raised. In the first instance, they claimed that they were unaware of any previous issues with the design and insisted that the design had been ‘thoroughly tested by law enforcement and military personnel’.

    After the second event, they were contacted by at least two people. Again, they stated that they were unaware of any concerns and had heard nothing similar from any sources.”
     

    Speedlace

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    I attribute the instructors misfortune to not enough practice with the Serpa.
    In extremely stressful situations you revert back to ones training.

    BTW:When I press the release solely with my index finger, it's pushing against the slide lock. (I have small hands.:hs:)

    :)
     
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    LACamper

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    When I first bought my Serpa I had a problem with it not releasing my pistol sometimes. I eventually shipped it back to Blackhawk for them to check. I had a new Serpa in a little more than a week. No problems since... Customer service was excellent.
     

    Nomad.2nd

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    I attribute the instructors misfortune to not enough practice with the Serpa.
    In extremely stressful situations you revert back to ones training.

    BTW:When I press the release solely with my index finger, it's pushing against the slide lock. (I have small hands.:hs:)

    :)



    Paul did not have any problems, he researched it throughly when the viability of the holster came into question.

    So what do you attribute the bullet wounds to?
     

    SpeedRacer

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    Sounds like a Glock problem...or a training problem. I have a Serpa and can't imagine how it would possibly make my XD discharge any different/sooner than any other holster.

    :dunno:
     

    Dave328

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    I'm not familiar with Glocks, does the trigger have a normal pull to fire when drawn? I keep my Hk P2000SK in a SERPA and don't see how I could fire it on drawing even if I tried to do it. My LEM trigger has an extended first pull so maybe it's different from a Glock in that way.:confused:

    I just prefer the SERPA over the Fobus I keep my fullsize USP in specifically for the positive retention.

    Dave
     

    lilmoose0

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    I've tried to duplicate the results purposly with my XD but I can't. Now I don't know how it works with other pistols.

    One other negative thing I heard was that some guy had a piece of dirt get lodged behinde the lever, rendering it unable to release the trigger guard. They tried as hard as they could to get it out. Ultimately they had to cut the gun out of the holster. :(
     

    IonicDOG

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    I have 2 serpa's one for my XD 45 and the other for my SA 1911 45, love em both never had a problem with either of them, took me a little while to get used to drawing with the trigger finger index.
     

    LACamper

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    I can see how that could happen. Not a problem for me as I have a 1911 with a safety. No offense to the glock fans, but I like my external safety...
     

    dawg23

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    FWIW I recently completed a three day handgun class taught by Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch). Clint was asked about this holster (one student was using one).

    He said he didn't like or recommend them because he has seen two of them jam in his classes. Both cases occurred when they were doing ground fighting drills in gravel. Small rocks jammed into the push button mechanism and locked the weapon in the holster.

    I'm sure this won't change the opinions of the people here who own these holsters. Nor am I trying to. I'm just passing along a related comment from an experienced instructor.
     

    WhiteRabbit22

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    I can see them being used for everyday carry, but not for combat carry. I have one and I only really wear it when I'm going out to the range. It's a great range holster.
     

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