Constitutional Carry in Louisiana?

[kenny]

It blows my mind how someone would be against the restoration of their rights, based on the fact that it will also restore the rights of others.

 

[Trailboss]

Trailboss, did you even read what I said about NOT MANDATED? To restate it the key here being that the gun safety education is optional and not mandated. There was NO concession of the right mentioned, only a concession of paying a limited rate specific tax to provide education and public awareness, I can possibly see even having a sunset for this tax after some number of years..

Sorry Isaac-1, it was late and I should have been in bed as I missed your qualifier. We actually are in agreement. I just get frustrated when people mention "reasonable" restrictions for an inalienable right, but "they" are the only ones who can define what is reasonable.

As Obama said yesterday, if it saves just one life it is justified. If that's the case, why doesn't he infringe on Civil Rights and ban young black men in Chicago and all large cities from owning guns...Wait - they banned almost everyone from having guns in Chicago, New York City and Wash. D.C., so where did all those thousands of dead young black men come from? That ban would be just as wrong and ineffective as any gun control laws in stopping gang violence. Sorry for the sidetrack.

 

[mpl006]

I am all for constitutional carry in theory, but I must admit Dave_M has a point when it comes to the gun fumbling public one tends to find in a concealed carry class. So in concession to this I would be for a constituional carry law in the state tied to a public gun safety education campaigned to be paid for by tax of not more than 1% tied to firearms / ammo sales in the state, the key here being that the gun safety education is optional and not mandated, it shoudl also be mandated that funds can't go to anti-gun campaigns.

p.s. this tax can even be made invisible to the end user, for example did you know that every store / wholesaler and producer that sells eggs in Louisiana has to pay a 1 cent per dozen tax, plus an anual license fee, so that by the time the typical package of a dozen eggs gets to the consumer it has been taxed by 1 cent 2-4 times. In theory this tax goes to pay for Louisiana egg inspectors.

I don't get this argument at all. It's like congress passing a law stating "we will fund Planned Parenthood but those funds can't be used for abortions!" So let me get this straight. PP, or the government in your case, has a fixed budget. We will increase this budget by giving them funds but those specific funds can't go to do something we don't like, abortion or anti-gun campaigns. So, before we had $1000 that we had to split between non-abortion spending and abortion spending/pro-gun campaigns and anti-gun campaigns. Let's for argument sake say that it was an even split. Now we are going to give you an extra $500, but don't use it for abortion/anti-gun stuff!!!! OK. I'll use the $500 you give, provide the same amount of "good" stuff before and now have my entire original budget to do double the "bad" stuff I was doing before. Maybe I'm missing something.

PS. No, I'm not equating taxing gun sales to abortion. Just trying to show how asinine the argument of you can only use this money for this portion of your business, not that one is.

 

[Isaac-1]

It is called a dedicated tax, we have plenty of them already, in this case it would be to tax a specific category of item (guns) to pay for public awareness / gun safety programs. To give a real world example where a very similar thing is already done in the state of Louisiana, there is a tax that is collected on all fresh strawberries grown or sold in Louisiana, for the case of those that are grown the tax is actually collected on those little green plastic baskets at the supplier level, so it is already paid when the strawberry farmers buy them, for companies that bring fresh strawberries in from out of state they must pay the tax on the amount they import. This tax is used to fund promotion and public awareness of Louisiana strawberries and is operated by the Louisiana dept of Agriculture.

Sure you may think the strawberry example is stupid and wasteful, but it is there, or at least it was a few years ago I have not checked lately, and it very closely fits the same sort of idea, a hidden tax collected above the retail level used to fund public awareness.

 

[Blackhawk]

As currently stands, someone that has committed a felony/10 years past can have their LA firearms rights restored but due to the inability to get a CCP they would NOT be able to have their federal firearms rights restored, as discussed in multiple threads here. I'm just wondering if constitutional carry might fix this? Keep up the conversation - lots of good points here.

 

[Trailboss]

It is called a dedicated tax, we have plenty of them already, in this case it would be to tax a specific category of item (guns) to pay for public awareness / gun safety programs. To give a real world example where a very similar thing is already done in the state of Louisiana, there is a tax that is collected on all fresh strawberries grown or sold in Louisiana, for the case of those that are grown the tax is actually collected on those little green plastic baskets at the supplier level, so it is already paid when the strawberry farmers buy them, for companies that bring fresh strawberries in from out of state they must pay the tax on the amount they import. This tax is used to fund promotion and public awareness of Louisiana strawberries and is operated by the Louisiana dept of Agriculture.

We already have such a tax program in place in the form of the Pittman-Robertson excise tax on firearms and ammo. Over $500 Million is collected annually for wildlife restoration programs from an 11% tax on long arms and ammo, and from a 10% tax on handguns. Half of the tax collected on handguns is currently dedicated to basic Hunter Education programs, and this could be expanded to free, voluntary, NRA Basic firearm safety training for gun owners.

 

[Isaac-1]

I agree the Hunter education system already has much of the needed infrastructure in place and could be a path for this needed public awareness and education. Although I feel they would need some additional support in this matter as from what I understand the vast majority of those that currently participate in hunter education classes are fairly young (teenagers).

 

[Gungrabishere14]

That would be good for anyone whose had their gun rights restored after 10 yrs under LRS 14.95.1(c) or had a UPIN only to have it revoked years later by the feds citing the Caron vs US 1998.So in a nutshell some people dont realize they cannot even possess the firearms that you have according to federal law.Get with your local representatives and tell them to fix this by removing LARS 40:1379.3 (c)(10) or support constitutional carry . This is the Louisiana law LARS 40:1379.3 (c)(10) that the fed is using to restrict previously legal gun owners .This would fix the problem and fall inline with Buddy Caldwells recent opinion on 14.95.1(c), i realize its off topic but constitutional carry would nullify this injustice towards 10's if not 100's of thousands of people in the state.

 

[CatCam]

ummmm...any "Bubba Redneck" can carry now (legally) after doing a "class" and submitting the paperwork/fee.

Honestly, I assume that everyone is carrying anyway.

I hope it gets passed, but it probably won't. Why? Money. The state is in a deficit and that would be money lost.

IF the law passes do those folks get a refund that have already paid?

 

[MikeR]

IF the law passes do those folks get a refund that have already paid?

That's the big question. Probably not.

I know some people that are putting off getting certified to give these classes, as well as some that are putting off going to them, just to wait and see how this pans out.

 

[Specularius]

You would still need the chp for reciprocity in other states.

 

[charlie12]

You would still need the chp for reciprocity in other states.

Good question. I would bet yes

 

[XD45ACP]

If I remember right in the paperwork, it says NON-REFUNDABLE fee

 

[RustyHammer]

You would still need the chp for reciprocity in other states.

... this!

 

[JadeRaven]

Glad to see this is back on the table, and that we'd be the 8th state to have it. Also glad I didn't spring for the "lifetime" permit.

Without even going into the infringement issue, the current permit process is a huge waste of time and money.

 

[DAVE_M]

Glad to see this is back on the table, and that we'd be the 8th state to have it. Also glad I didn't spring for the "lifetime" permit.

Without even going into the infringement issue, the current permit process is a huge waste of time and money.

The lifetime permit has no value, unless Louisiana doesn't change the law in the next 20+ years. I feel bad for anyone who got suckered into it.

However, you will most likely still need a permit for reciprocity.

 

[JadeRaven]

The lifetime permit has no value, unless Louisiana doesn't change the law in the next 20+ years. I feel bad for anyone who got suckered into it.

However, you will most likely still need a permit for reciprocity.

Very little value at least.

Reciprocity is important for many but I'd bet most people don't venture outside of the state all that often. And when they travel by air most leave the guns at home. Personally I have never checked a firearm in luggage and if I'm going any distance by car I often leave the guns at home just so I can skip out having to research all the nuances of every state's gun laws.

Reciprocity will become less of an issue as more states become constitutional carry states. As it is, concealed carry reciprocity is far from 100%.

 

[DAVE_M]

Very little value at least.

Reciprocity is important for many but I'd bet most people don't venture outside of the state all that often. And when they travel by air most leave the guns at home. Personally I have never checked a firearm in luggage and if I'm going any distance by car I often leave the guns at home just so I can skip out having to research all the nuances of every state's gun laws.

Reciprocity will become less of an issue as more states become constitutional carry states. As it is, concealed carry reciprocity is far from 100%.

If I'm going on a leisure trip, I'm driving. I'm also going to a state where I can legally carry. You won't catch me in the commie states. You should only have to research your final destination, and the states you are passing through. If you're going to check in luggage, you just need to know what you're doing and, again, know the laws of your final destination. For those of us that already have permits, we'll be fine. For those that are waiting to get a permit, because this is being brought up again... well, obviously a couple hundred bucks for the permit process is more than you value your life.

 

[Emperor]

If Bel Edwards is the pro-2nd Amendment governor he led everyone to believe he was as the pro-2nd Amendment candidate, and with a majority republican Legislature, this could happen.

My guess though, is the budget and economy issues are so big and so concerning, this gets buried.

 

[JadeRaven]

If Bel Edwards is the pro-2nd Amendment governor he led everyone to believe he was as the pro-2nd Amendment candidate, and with a majority republican Legislature, this could happen.

My guess though, is the budget and economy issues are so big and so concerning, this gets buried.

If the legislature passes it through and sends it to his desk, this would be one of those vetoes that haunts him when it comes time for re-election.

I'm not getting my hopes up too much, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hopeful.