Record Number of FBI Gun Seizures.

[JBP55]

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Peacemaker]

I do know there has been a big push by law enforcement to be contacted by gun dealers to report anyone that outright fails a background check. Looks like it's paying off.

I do believe several agencies have been deliberately turning a blind eye to some of these loons that have been doing these mass shootings to further their cause.

 

[cajun 22]

A big part of this is that if you don't report, they yank your license.

 

[Mitch Dufour]

I do know there has been a big push by law enforcement to be contacted by gun dealers to report anyone that outright fails a background check.....

.... if you don't report, they yank your license.

As an employee of a small gun shop I called in 4473 forms / NICS background checks for a few years. I was never advised by the ATF or any other agency of a requirement to report anything when a DENY is returned.

Is there a legal requirement that gun shops notify a local law enforcement agency about something that the FBI already knows?

 

[Peacemaker]

As an employee of a small gun shop I called in 4473 forms / NICS background checks for a few years. I was never advised by the ATF or any other agency of a requirement to report anything when a DENY is returned.

Is there a legal requirement that gun shops notify a local law enforcement agency about something that the FBI already knows?

Local Sheriff's office asked to be notified also.

 

[Peacemaker]

As an employee of a small gun shop I called in 4473 forms / NICS background checks for a few years. I was never advised by the ATF or any other agency of a requirement to report anything when a DENY is returned.

Is there a legal requirement that gun shops notify a local law enforcement agency about something that the FBI already knows?

It could be the actual holder of the FFL is required to report it. This is something that just started within the last 12 to 18 months so it could be possible that you don't know. If you're not still doing the work it could be you are unaware.

 

[MOTOR51]

That hardly qualifies as a “big push”

 

[Bigchillin83]

That hardly qualifies as a “big push”

speaking of a big push, hey buddy

 

[Peacemaker]

That hardly qualifies as a “big push”

Well, what do you attribute it to? I do consider it a "big push" when it is nation wide, and "historical high gun seizures".

 

[DBMJR1]

ATF requires CLEO notification. I keep a list, along with fax transmittal reports and the Fm4473.

JPSO has contacted me about a few denials I've faxed over, so they are looking at it.

Realize: NICS is far from perfect. I've seen a Judge, a Doctor, and an Attorney denied. None of them were prohibited persons. I've had a denial. Got told why by a FBI Duty Officer downtown, off the record. Same name situation.

Point is; Not everyone who gets a denial is a criminal, and a denial is NOT a trial by your peers.
Don't treat it as such.

As an employee of a small gun shop I called in 4473 forms / NICS background checks for a few years. I was never advised by the ATF or any other agency of a requirement to report anything when a DENY is returned.

Is there a legal requirement that gun shops notify a local law enforcement agency about something that the FBI already knows?

 

[Born4spd]

The guys at the gun counter seem extra stressed.

Are they being prosecuted/held responsible for 4473 errors?

 

[DBMJR1]

The guys at the gun counter seem extra stressed.

Are they being prosecuted/held responsible for 4473 errors?

When you sign a Fm 4473, you certify that all information is correct, under penalty of the law. It's rare, but occasionally employees go to jail. It's happened locally, as many are aware.

They aren't going to throw you in jail, generally, for an administrative mistake. But if there is a pattern, indicating intent to transfer firearms to prohibited persons, then expect to spend quality time with some guy who calls you Sue.

 

[Emperor]

When you sign a Fm 4473, you certify that all information is correct, under penalty of the law. It's rare, but occasionally employees go to jail. It's happened locally, as many are aware.

They aren't going to throw you in jail, generally, for an administrative mistake. But if there is a pattern, indicating intent to transfer firearms to prohibited persons, then expect to spend quality time with some guy who calls you Sue.

Evidently they won't throw you in jail if you lie on the 4473 either. Enter Hunter Biden!

 

[MOTOR51]

Law enforcement has been getting list of denials and the FFL info for years. I know because I’ve gotten them first hand. This is nothing new. There are really far fewer than I expected.

 

[Mitch Dufour]

Law enforcement has been getting list of denials and the FFL info for years. ..

From LOCAL ffl holders or from the ATF ?

 

[Mitch Dufour]

ATF requires CLEO notification. ....

Do you have an ATF rule, law, or US Code that I can quote? The only CLEO notification requirement for basic 4473 transaction are the multiple handgun purchases.

 

[cajun 22]

Her you go.

https://epictactical.com/important-update-for-ffls-from-nics

 

[MOTOR51]

Atf, I’m assuming they get them from the local FFLs

 

[Mitch Dufour]

Her you go.

https://epictactical.com/important-update-for-ffls-from-nics

I read the attached carefully, and still see nothing that requires the FFL to contact local CLEO.

I did read the following:

The Act requires the Attorney General to report background check denials to state authorities and will require the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section to report all FBI NICS denied transactions to local law enforcement

 

[DBMJR1]

My information comes from my notes of an ATF seminar I attended.