ATI’s Fake Suppressor deemed illegal by BATFE

[Hitman]

I thought it was this one

This is the design in question, iirc.

The one I posted is the one in question, the one you have above I'm pretty sure is the GSG5 w/ REAL SUPRESSOR.
Where did you get that photo? Was there no description?

Those barrel shrouds weren't designed specifically with the intent to be turned into illegal suppressors. . .

Surely you’re not serious?

 

[CloudStrife]

The one I posted is the one in question, the one you have above I'm pretty sure is the GSG5 w/ REAL SUPRESSOR.
Where did you get that photo? Was there no description?

Surely you’re not serious?

http://www.gsg5rifle.com/category/1694-GSG_5_Rifless.aspx

The barrel shroud isn't intended to be made into a suppressor just like pipes aren't made for smoking illegal drugs. The company certainly doesn't advocate it.

 

[spanky]

The one I posted is the one in question, the one you have above I'm pretty sure is the GSG5 w/ REAL SUPRESSOR.
Where did you get that photo? Was there no description?

That is the picture of a GSG5-SD.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online...lated-by-national-firearms-act/?hp=news_title

From http://www.americantactical.us/

IMPORTANT: THE ORIGINAL SD MODEL SHROUD MUST BE RETURNED ACOMPANIED BY THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER BEFORE A REPLACEMENT SHROUD IS ISSUED. THE DIAMETER OF THE SD SHROUD IS 1-9/16”. DO NOT RETURN THE SMALLER CARBINE SHROUD.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74615

Notice the description on the image "GSG5-SD" The one with the thicker barrel shroud/fake suppressor is the one they are going after.

 

[Witness]

What's so terrifying is that the Law hasn't changed, the ATF's opinion has changed. The ATF is a rogue agency who, in the best interest of everyone, should politely go **** themselves.

 

[spanky]

What's so terrifying is that the Law hasn't changed, the ATF's opinion has changed. The ATF is a rogue agency who, in the best interest of everyone, should politely go **** themselves.

I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all of the other products that they've "changed their minds" on.

I don't remember what it was called but there was 10/22 stock with a spring in it that rocked the whole action. By letter of the law, it was legal because it only fired one shot per trigger pull but they changed their mind since you didn't have to move your finger (or something) and they all had to be returned or the springs had to be uninstalled.

This isn't the first nor probably not the last time this will happen.

 

[CloudStrife]

Soon they'll be outlawing improperly installed trigger stops. Or have they already?

 

[ofcmetz]

I once saw a video of a really fat man holding the back of a glock against his belly and using the jiggle to make the gun fire almost full auto. Now it is the opinion of the ATF that shooting a gun while fat is an NFA controled item and only people who got fat before 1986 qualify to shoot this way.

 

[Ben Segrest]

Surely you’re not serious?

As a heart attack.

 

[JR1572]

I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all of the other products that they've "changed their minds" on.

I don't remember what it was called but there was 10/22 stock with a spring in it that rocked the whole action. By letter of the law, it was legal because it only fired one shot per trigger pull but they changed their mind since you didn't have to move your finger (or something) and they all had to be returned or the springs had to be uninstalled.

This isn't the first nor probably not the last time this will happen.

The 10/22 stock was the atkins accelerator.

What I would like to know is how did the ATF get information to look at and further inspect the GSG SD model. Oh wait, someone probably posted it on the Internet.

JR1572

 

[rockmup]

The 10/22 stock was the atkins accelerator.

What I would like to know is how did the ATF get information to look at and further inspect the GSG SD model. Oh wait, someone probably posted it on the Internet.

JR1572

This.

But now that the cats out so to speak, the origional carbine tubes unscrew on both ends.

 

[CloudStrife]

Something I'm curious about...
Are suppressors illegal because the average person thinks they make a gun whisper quiet?

 

[Hitman]

As a heart attack.

I still don't think you’re serious about these guns being made purposely for the intention of making silencers.
This shroud is not easily made into a silencer.

Is this simply your own opinion or did you read that from somewhere?

Something I'm curious about...
Are suppressors illegal because the average person thinks they make a gun whisper quiet?

What? Since when did silencers become illegal?

 

[CloudStrife]

I still don't think you’re serious about these guns being made purposely for the intention of making silencers.
This shroud is not easily made into a silencer.

Is this simply your own opinion or did you read that from somewhere?



What? Since when did silencers become illegal?

It wouldn't be hard to make a shroud into a suppressor, but that is not what they are. It is what they could be. Heck, a 2L coke bottle can be a suppressor. Should we need stamps for those?


Correction. Require registration.

 

[Ben Segrest]

I still don't think you’re serious about these guns being made purposely for the intention of making silencers.
This shroud is not easily made into a silencer.

Is this simply your own opinion or did you read that from somewhere?

Reading comprehension is not on your side today. Reread what I said and what I was replying to.

 

[Hitman]

Reading comprehension is not on your side today. .

Your right ...it's not...,

I could have sworn you said "were" instead of "weren't" in your first post. Which is why I was a bit perplexed on how someone on a this board would say something like that.

Sorry about that, my fault.

 

[aroundlsu]

Something I'm curious about...
Are suppressors illegal because the average person thinks they make a gun whisper quiet?

No because they were used for poaching in the 1930s.

 

[CloudStrife]

No because they were used for poaching in the 1930s.

So paying for a tax stamp stopped the poaching...

 

[aroundlsu]

So paying for a tax stamp stopped the poaching...

The tax stamp was the average persons salary for three months in the 1930s. So yes, it stopped legal silencer use by poachers. Only recently has $200 been not a lot of money.

 

[aroundlsu]

Regarding your post about silencers not being whisper quiet, it depends. A .22lr with a silencer and subsonic ammo is silent enough for me to hunt in your backyard and you won't know it.

 

[CloudStrife]

The tax stamp was the average persons salary for three months in the 1930s. So yes, it stopped legal silencer use by poachers. Only recently has $200 been not a lot of money.

My point was it's not about poaching. The NFA is just about control and money. If they were concerned with poaching, they would have simply outlawed suppressors.

Regarding your post about silencers not being whisper quiet, it depends. A .22lr with a silencer and subsonic ammo is silent enough for me to hunt in your backyard and you won't know it.

If it's sub-sonic. Some .22lr will have a sonic boom.

That's part of the reason suppressors were created - to make guns more pleasant to shoot without hearing protection.