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enough said. if i have to use my gun in a defensive situation, the last thing i will be concerned with is whether i should be legally carrying in that area.
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But as has been said many, many, many times, ad nauseum, all the gun laws in the world will not stop some "dipshit with a gun who gets stupid with it." All it will do is keep someone from putting a stop to the foolishness instead of allowing more people to die waiting on the arrival of the police.
I certainly hope Ricky Adams and his crew respond better than the "F-Troop" at V-tech.
Didn't know you were intimately familiar with every aspect of the police response, as well as each responding agencies policy, procedure, and training regarding active shooter response.
Everything done sounded proper to me. You cant evacuate an entire college campus from an incident in one building. There was no way to know the shooter would return and do what he did. When it happened, they responded and were in the building moving to his location when the shots stopped and he was found dead.
From first 911 call to being sent over radio to officers, about 1 min. Since officers were in area, 1-3 mins to get officers at the building. How many mags can you dump in 2-4 minutes? We cant instantaneously teleport somewhere before the crime occurs. Sorry.
I know this is off topic, I apologize. My brother and sister officers did the best they could in a situation most will hopefully never experience and deserve some respect.
I don't understand what the purpose of this would be.
As it is now, there is a whole laundry list of things that are banned by university rules. They regularly come in for "safety inspection" checks, but they can only check things that are in plain view (ie, can't open the closet, can't touch anything, can't open bags, etc). Anyone, criminal or non-criminal, would have the common sense to put his gun somewhere not in plain view, just as all the underage folks make sure to put their beer in the fridge and not on the counter.
The only way to enforce this type of law would be to have officers go into each and every dorm room and rip the place apart looking for firearms on a regular basis. Somehow I don't think that will happen.
It's kind of like the law that makes it illegal to wear body armor. That is, it's illegal to wear body armor while in the commission of another crime. So of course the reason you don't see more criminals wearing vests is because it would be another felony added onto their crime, right? What the hell does this type of law seek to accomplish? I do not know.
As it is now, there is a whole laundry list of things that are banned by university rules. They regularly come in for "safety inspection" checks, but they can only check things that are in plain view (ie, can't open the closet, can't touch anything, can't open bags, etc). Anyone, criminal or non-criminal, would have the common sense to put his gun somewhere not in plain view, just as all the underage folks make sure to put their beer in the fridge and not on the counter.
The only way to enforce this type of law would be to have officers go into each and every dorm room and rip the place apart looking for firearms on a regular basis. Somehow I don't think that will happen.
It's kind of like the law that makes it illegal to wear body armor. That is, it's illegal to wear body armor while in the commission of another crime. So of course the reason you don't see more criminals wearing vests is because it would be another felony added onto their crime, right? What the hell does this type of law seek to accomplish? I do not know.
Oh and as far as LSUPD response time. . . .
the other day my girlfriend had to evacuate a building because of a fire alarm. By the time she got outside it took another ten minutes for the police to show up.
This is only one of those such incidents.
the other day my girlfriend had to evacuate a building because of a fire alarm. By the time she got outside it took another ten minutes for the police to show up.
This is only one of those such incidents.
CavalryJim
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Your position as a reserve deputy would cover you from getting in legal trouble but the university's "rules" are a different matter. You could still end up getting kicked out of school if they found out.
Keep it concealed and thanks for your duty.
I didn't say you did.
I HAVE spent a few years dealing with the general public. Cops aren't the only ones who deal with people in dangerous and stressful situation. I've been a paramedic for a number of years now and have had occasion to stare down the barrel of a gun myself. I've been physically attacked,spit on, etc, etc. Only I didn't have a badge and a gun at my disposal.
So don't talk down to me.
bayouteche85
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jaderaven,
I would have agreed with your complaint about the slow response time of LSUPD before this past Friday night. We were waiting with some friends for a tow truck to pick up one guy's girlfriend's car. About a quarter after midnight, we heard several gun shots in the immediate area. We notified LSUPD and they were driving up as we were hanging up the phone. I guess, however, since VT they will have to respond to any reports of gun fire as quickly as possible. I was very impressed with the speed of their response and the number of cars we saw arriving in the area.
About the comments made by Chief Adams, he is just another one of the many that does not get the point of our argument. He has a gun on his body at all times when he is on campus, why should he worry? LSU sent out an email not to long ago explaining their newest surefire tactic that will inevitably save all of us from suffering the same fate as those at VT, TEXT-MESSAGES.
Yep, that's there plan, alright.
Also, they had an open forum the other day in the student union on gun control, which I could not attend because I had an exam at that time, but I had a friend with similar interests attend to at least give me the gist of it. I'm happy as hell I did not attend because my friend said it was more of a "Here's whats going to be done about guns on campus and you stupid, irresponsible students can't change that" type of thing. There was no debate or presenting of opposing ideas, only a couple of people saying how much safer they feel knowing that other students can't legally carry on campus and that if a mad man started slaughtering students the administration would immediately send them a text message letting them know that they should probably put there heads between their knees and kiss their @ss goodbye. One student said something along the lines of "anyone of college age is way to irresponsible to wield a gun properly". I'm sure all of you veterans and all the boys in Iraq would totally agree, right?
The good thing is, I'm done in a couple of months.
I would have agreed with your complaint about the slow response time of LSUPD before this past Friday night. We were waiting with some friends for a tow truck to pick up one guy's girlfriend's car. About a quarter after midnight, we heard several gun shots in the immediate area. We notified LSUPD and they were driving up as we were hanging up the phone. I guess, however, since VT they will have to respond to any reports of gun fire as quickly as possible. I was very impressed with the speed of their response and the number of cars we saw arriving in the area.
About the comments made by Chief Adams, he is just another one of the many that does not get the point of our argument. He has a gun on his body at all times when he is on campus, why should he worry? LSU sent out an email not to long ago explaining their newest surefire tactic that will inevitably save all of us from suffering the same fate as those at VT, TEXT-MESSAGES.
Yep, that's there plan, alright.
Also, they had an open forum the other day in the student union on gun control, which I could not attend because I had an exam at that time, but I had a friend with similar interests attend to at least give me the gist of it. I'm happy as hell I did not attend because my friend said it was more of a "Here's whats going to be done about guns on campus and you stupid, irresponsible students can't change that" type of thing. There was no debate or presenting of opposing ideas, only a couple of people saying how much safer they feel knowing that other students can't legally carry on campus and that if a mad man started slaughtering students the administration would immediately send them a text message letting them know that they should probably put there heads between their knees and kiss their @ss goodbye. One student said something along the lines of "anyone of college age is way to irresponsible to wield a gun properly". I'm sure all of you veterans and all the boys in Iraq would totally agree, right?
The good thing is, I'm done in a couple of months.
Friday night, great. Best-case scenario. Tuesday morning when you've actually got traffic and students around? That's another story.
Walking to class I've seen police cars with full lights and sirens blaring taking well over thirty seconds to ge through one intersection. There are typically a few intersections between point A and point B on LSU's campus. Do the math.
What about a football game? The entire campus is a gridlock. I guess we'll have to wait for the police running on foot.
And then you're assuming there's someone around as smart as you to discern gunshots from all the other crap that goes on at LSU and call it in.
And then just the fact that you heard gunshots on campus means that for whatever reason someone has been able to bring a gun on campus and discharge it for whatever purpose, well before the police could arrive, regardless of response time.
I'm not betting my life on LSUPD.
Walking to class I've seen police cars with full lights and sirens blaring taking well over thirty seconds to ge through one intersection. There are typically a few intersections between point A and point B on LSU's campus. Do the math.
What about a football game? The entire campus is a gridlock. I guess we'll have to wait for the police running on foot.
And then you're assuming there's someone around as smart as you to discern gunshots from all the other crap that goes on at LSU and call it in.
And then just the fact that you heard gunshots on campus means that for whatever reason someone has been able to bring a gun on campus and discharge it for whatever purpose, well before the police could arrive, regardless of response time.
I'm not betting my life on LSUPD.
I couldnt open the link to see what the chief said, but firearms are Federally banned on all school grounds & university campuses except for LEO...
I'm a Librarian at LSU...in the past 3 months we've had 1 student severely beaten, 3 employees harassed, and 1 attempted assault on an employee. Those were only dealing with people at my library, mostly after work when they are on their way home or night employees. On campus there have been numerous armed robberies, and many rapes. Not to mention the unreported assaults & crimes.
I walk some employees and students to their cars after work b/c they feel safe with me...I'm a boxer/kickboxer as a hobby and I'm willing to die or kill to protect good people, they know these things.
But I cant stop a bullet or a knife from taking my life, and I'm not rushing to meet my maker.
If guns were allowed on campuses by people who were licensed to carry them there may not have been Columbine, VT, or a number of other killings in schools.
Criminals do not obey laws...
But if you bring a gun on to a campus, you're a criminal under the eyes of the federal law regardless of your CCW or not.
Just like Medical Marijuana laws...the feds trump the state, and its BS.
What your mama doesnt know doesnt hurt her.
I'm a Librarian at LSU...in the past 3 months we've had 1 student severely beaten, 3 employees harassed, and 1 attempted assault on an employee. Those were only dealing with people at my library, mostly after work when they are on their way home or night employees. On campus there have been numerous armed robberies, and many rapes. Not to mention the unreported assaults & crimes.
I walk some employees and students to their cars after work b/c they feel safe with me...I'm a boxer/kickboxer as a hobby and I'm willing to die or kill to protect good people, they know these things.
But I cant stop a bullet or a knife from taking my life, and I'm not rushing to meet my maker.
If guns were allowed on campuses by people who were licensed to carry them there may not have been Columbine, VT, or a number of other killings in schools.
Criminals do not obey laws...
But if you bring a gun on to a campus, you're a criminal under the eyes of the federal law regardless of your CCW or not.
Just like Medical Marijuana laws...the feds trump the state, and its BS.
What your mama doesnt know doesnt hurt her.
LouisianaCarry
Tactibilly
This bill got voted down, BTW.
Thank goodness it was voted down.
But...was I wrong when i said that there is a Federal Ban on firearms in schools? Hmmm...I hope I was...wow, embarrassing but awesome if so!
Hmm...Wikipedis says in its summary that... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act
But...was I wrong when i said that there is a Federal Ban on firearms in schools? Hmmm...I hope I was...wow, embarrassing but awesome if so!
Hmm...Wikipedis says in its summary that... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act
CavalryJim
Well-Known Member
Not true. Federal law bans gun at schools where a school is defined by state law. In some states, the term "school" means K-12.
When I was an undergrad at U. of Alabama, it was (and may still be) completely legal to carry on campus. There were no state or federal laws against it. The state statutes covering CCW only restricted carry at K-12 schools.
Of course, there may have been university rules against firearms on campus but that would only apply to faculty, staff, & students.
LouisianaCarry
Tactibilly
IIRC, the Federal law was struck down (as it should have been).
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