.45acp making a comeback
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Well LSP went to .40, so did Kenner PD, JPSO stayed with 9mm, and St James went to M&P .45's. Guess it really depends on who gives the best deal. Would be nice if military went back to .45 so we can get cheap brass.
Huh , I would have thought that there would be more .45acp fans here . Especially among us older farts . Well , I like both of mine .
Absolutely. I think this falls into the "some things go without saying" category. The .45 acp is THE American round.
Huh , I would have thought that there would be more .45acp fans here . Especially among us older farts . Well , I like both of mine .
There are a lot of .45 fans here. What's your point?
My point was , there was little to no posts in support of the .45 .
Now you've gone and done it , OleheatThe .40 cal folks are gonna come after you . I got your back ..
Hahahaha thanks. There's nothing wrong with the forty, but the .45 ACP is the automatic pistol round by which all other are judged in the United States-period.
The forty has had great success- but it's history isn't old enough to buy a beer..
I am not saying the .45 ACP is the end-all cure-all; as we all know shot placement is king.
Believe it or not- sometimes the .40 has it's own moments of "small & weak"... I submit the following:
Saturday, October 8, 2005
By DEREK J. MOORE
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
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James Decosta Suspect ignored police orders, raised gun a second time.
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A suspected child molester killed by Petaluma police last weekend was shot 27 times after he pointed a loaded handgun at officers, authorities said Friday.
Five officers fired 42 rounds, striking 72-year-old James Anthony Decosta over much of his body, including his head, neck and chest.
Petaluma Police Chief Steve Hood said the officers risked their own lives while standing down an armed fugitive.
He said the 42 shots were necessary to stop Decosta, who had led officers on a brief car chase last Saturday before pulling over in an industrial park.
Hood said officers began firing on Decosta when the ex-Marine got out of a car and pointed a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun at them.
When Decosta lowered the gun, Hood said, the officers stopped firing and shouted for him not to raise it again. Decosta ignored the order, raising the weapon a second time, prompting more gunfire from the officers, Hood said.
Hood said he doesn't know if Decosta was struck by the initial volley. Decosta's gun, which contained three rounds, apparently jammed, but police said it's not known if he tried to fire or if it was misloaded or damaged when he fell.
"Clearly, it took that many shots to end the threat," Hood said. "The restraint officers showed after the first series of shots put them at risk. Had it not been for the malfunction, we could have easily had an officer shot, which I believe was his (Decosta's) intent."
The shooting is being investigated by Santa Rosa police and the Sonoma County district attorney per a protocol governing officer-involved shootings.
"From all the information I've received from investigating agencies . .. it appears that our officers acted in an appropriate manner and consistent with their training," Hood said.
Petaluma police went into greater detail about the shooting Friday in response to information released by the Sonoma County coroner revealing that Decosta was shot 27 times.
An autopsy Monday showed Decosta was shot in the head, neck, chest, abdomen, groin, left arm, left leg and right foot. Five of the shots could have proved fatal on their own, authorities said.
Six shots grazed Decosta, Sheriff's Lt. Dave Edmonds said.
Most of the entry wounds were on the left side of Decosta's body, suggesting he was hit as he was turning on officers who had pulled up behind his car. Hood called that "speculation."
He said officers were attempting a high-risk traffic stop, which involves an overwhelming show of force so that the suspect gives up.
The five officers, riding in four cars, fanned out behind Decosta's car in such a way as to prevent them from accidentally firing at one another and minimizing risk to civilians, Hood said.
"The ultimate success depends on compliance from the suspect, which in this case, the suspect immediately exited his car and was confrontational," he said.
Petaluma police, along with a Sacramento police detective and a special agent with the state Department of Justice, had been searching for Decosta since the day before the shooting.
Sacramento authorities had recently learned that Decosta might be cashing Social Security checks in Petaluma. He had been sought since 1998 on a $100,000 arrest warrant accusing him of child molestation.
Sacramento Police Sgt. Justin Risley said Friday that the case involved allegations Decosta had raped and sodomized his 10- and 11-year-old stepdaughters.
"He packed everything and left before she (Decosta's wife) realized it," Risley said. "We investigated it and were never able to locate him."
After spotting Decosta at a gym on Old Corona Road, two Petaluma detectives radioed for two uniformed officers to stop Decosta's car. They were joined in the pursuit by another officer when Decosta didn't stop.
During the two-minute, seven-second chase, officers noted Decosta seemed to be reaching for something in his car, Hood said. They also learned from a dispatcher moments before Decosta pulled over that he had a weapon registered in his name.
Bob McMenomey, the use-of-force commander for the Sheriff's Department, said deputies are trained to use deadly force to protect themselves or others from an immediate threat of death or serious injury.
In situations where deputies resort to firing their gun, McMenomey said, "you shoot until you perceive the threat has been stopped, until it is no longer a threat."
All the officers involved in Saturday's shooting were carrying semiautomatic .40-caliber Glock handguns, which usually have 10 to 15 rounds.
Most U.S. law enforcement agencies switched to semiautomatics from revolvers after shootouts in the 1970s and 1980s in which officers were outgunned.
Lt. Danny Fish, who oversees special operations for Petaluma police, said officers don't carry semiautomatics because they are easier to fire but because they are more technologically advanced.
"We try to provide our people with the best item out there," he said. "Right now, that's semiautomatic weapons."
Didn't think it needed it.
Same here.
No much expansion? No problem! Big hole to begin with. The .45ACP does exactly what it was designed to do- and it's been doing it better & a lot longer than most. It will still be doing it when we are all gone.
Others have been trying to at-best equal it's performance standard, and that's fine. But through it all, the "ol' low-pressure workhorse" just keeps on marching through time.....
Others have been trying to at-best equal it's performance standard, and that's fine. But through it all, the "ol' low-pressure workhorse" just keeps on marching through time.....
Well , this IS a discussion forum . I thought maybe folks would want to DISCUSS it . I guess I was wrong as usual .
Well , this IS a discussion forum . I thought maybe folks would want to DISCUSS it . I guess I was wrong as usual .
Said....
CUJOHUNTER
EARPLUGS??
I don't own a .45....maybe one day. Still a big fan of 38/357...so much more than 9mm. Hey Dan,I need till May 15 on my piece to re-certify. After that,ball's in your court. I actually have to certify for both auto and revo but will carry revo on most if not all my posts.
What are your thoughts on the article itself , as far as more Police Depts. turning to the .45 ?
Steve one of the main reasons i shoot he 625 is, one i love 45acp and two, it has always been accurate. I also carry a 45acp as my concealed gun. By the way i had a good time with you guy's today. I as well have the swollen finger syndrome which makes loading easier lol.
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