falshooter
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Armed ATF Agents Going Door To Door To Seize Your Legally Obtained Items
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The guy in video was doing ok until he let their tricks shake him up. That happened about the time one of them told him to take his hands out of his pockets. That agent decided to give orders when he was a visitor. He wanted to show force and shake things up. This is when you end the contact. He should have asked them to leave and closed the door at that point. But before that, he should have asked them to leave as soon as they admitted they had no warrant. If they would not leave or allow him to close the door, he should have called 911 and reported them because at that point they are indeed breaking the law.
The entire reason these agents are proceeding as they are is because they are stepping in where they don’t truly have a continuous state of authority. They are relying on the person they visit to bridge the gap. This is why you should never talk to anyone who appears on your doorstep when it a consensual encounter. Like Motor said, it’s legal for a cop to knock on your door. The rest is up to the citizen.
There is zero legal obligation to even answer the door. If you do answer and ask for a warrant then you can ask them to leave and if they don’t then they’re trespassing. On another note, these agents are not cops and they are operating outside the law in effect. There are no laws that truly cover them as far as their objective at this point. They are playing Congress. They are proceeding in a manner that is not supported by the law or courts and nobody has put them in check. When you actually look at how they are proceeding it’s obvious that they are boldly tiptoeing through these encounters to see what they can accomplish. I feel that they are looking to do more than just intimidate people into choking and giving up rights. I think they may be attempting to create some case law or a few tragic events that they can later spin into reasons, etc. in other words, stir the $hit.
Probably nobody here is worried about a solvent trap. Maybe nobody here has a FRT trigger. So the video likely hasn’t stirred anyone here very much. Does anyone here believe the ATF could or would not suddenly, overnight, decide pistol braces are illegal? Or that any AR with a barrel shorter than 16” is now illegal because they believe you are definitely making a SBR if you have one? What then?
I read someone’s post here saying don’t be stupid and break the law. That statement is kinda stupid regarding this thread. If someone bought a FRT trigger or a solvent trap when they were considered legal by the ATF, they didn’t break the law or any bogus or pretend or interpreted law. Just because the ATF showed up on that person’s doorstep doesn’t mean that person broke any law.
The entire reason these agents are proceeding as they are is because they are stepping in where they don’t truly have a continuous state of authority. They are relying on the person they visit to bridge the gap. This is why you should never talk to anyone who appears on your doorstep when it a consensual encounter. Like Motor said, it’s legal for a cop to knock on your door. The rest is up to the citizen.
There is zero legal obligation to even answer the door. If you do answer and ask for a warrant then you can ask them to leave and if they don’t then they’re trespassing. On another note, these agents are not cops and they are operating outside the law in effect. There are no laws that truly cover them as far as their objective at this point. They are playing Congress. They are proceeding in a manner that is not supported by the law or courts and nobody has put them in check. When you actually look at how they are proceeding it’s obvious that they are boldly tiptoeing through these encounters to see what they can accomplish. I feel that they are looking to do more than just intimidate people into choking and giving up rights. I think they may be attempting to create some case law or a few tragic events that they can later spin into reasons, etc. in other words, stir the $hit.
Probably nobody here is worried about a solvent trap. Maybe nobody here has a FRT trigger. So the video likely hasn’t stirred anyone here very much. Does anyone here believe the ATF could or would not suddenly, overnight, decide pistol braces are illegal? Or that any AR with a barrel shorter than 16” is now illegal because they believe you are definitely making a SBR if you have one? What then?
I read someone’s post here saying don’t be stupid and break the law. That statement is kinda stupid regarding this thread. If someone bought a FRT trigger or a solvent trap when they were considered legal by the ATF, they didn’t break the law or any bogus or pretend or interpreted law. Just because the ATF showed up on that person’s doorstep doesn’t mean that person broke any law.
And the guy who ran a diesel repair business and ordered bulk filters. I posted that video in another thread. And to anyone who wants to say this is not harassment, don’t get your panties in a wad, it’s legal for them to come to your house, they’re just doing their job, if you’re not doing anything illegal you have nothing to fear, etc, I say that’s utter BS. Armed men showing up at a person’s home talking $hit and threatening action and telling them to keep their hands out of their pocket is indeed harassment. If they have a warrant, they will come in. If not, they’ll eventually get hungry or tired or get the message and leave.
Bigchillin83
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now your rare breed triggers, of course they are just asking... still no warrant
Bigchillin83
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Good info in that video if you do consider to be one of the ones to play nice and respectful and turn your stuff over you paid for legally without a warrant… you better have an attorney present because they may take it in smile but they may come back a month later with charges… no telling what kind of paperwork they get you to sign
GunRelated
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I agree the information is good but listening to that guy talk is no walk in the park.
I have NO pistol lowers. I'm not into them. None, Zero, Zilch, Nada. I bought a box of reloading equipment and other "stuff" at a yard sale which included a short barrel. Am I in posession of an SBR???
"If you only have an AR rifle but you have a 10.5” complete upper in the safe also, I think you are walking a thin line."
You're neither an ATF agent nor an attorney? Does not the above quote constitute legal advice. Granted advice worth every penny I paid!!!
So this fella just answers the door already videoing an encounter with “ATF”. No actual people on camera, no video of their vehicles, nothing that can validate this as an actual incident. And what is probably the worst dialogue I’ve ever heard....check your shoes, this smells like BS.
falshooter
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What you doing up at 3:15 
If you bought a complete rifle that lower is considered a rifle lower. If you buy a stripped lower then it is considered other. So they would have to look at the 4473 and see how you bought the lower for that particular gun.
Also it may not be illegal to own a short upper and no pistol or SBR lowers but if they take it in their heads to go after you the legal costs to defend yourself and prove you were right can be ruinous.
Sounds punitive. That’s the downside to our judicial system. If a DA or the feds decide they wanna go to trial they can afford to drag out every trick and attempt and charge they can think of even if they know it won’t stick. They know it won’t matter in the end. Zero penalty for them for being wrong and they get to hose the charged and wreck his/her life and their family’s as well. They actually threaten people with this for not turning state’s evidence or copping to a plea.
DAs don’t have funds to mess around with. That’s why they reduce so many charges to get someone to plea, plus they don’t want to waste more time and money on cases they can’t win. Also with DAs, since they are elected, they generally don’t want to **** off large parts of their voter base with frivolous prosecutions.
Federal entities would be the only real obstacle.
Federal entities would be the only real obstacle.
Generally speaking, yes, but there have definitely been times that prosecutors have gone the distance knowing they have no case. And when they do, it’s often considered to be a punitive action.
machinedrummer
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When will full-auto BCG’s also be considered machine guns? Hell it says it in the description when they are sold.
