Bushmaster or Smith&Wesson ar15

[bs875]

Only 4 uppers lefts available

http://www.jsesurplus.com/custom16hbarmidlength1x9flattopuppercompletestandard-2.aspx

They often do that. As soon as it sells out they list another quantity. It's to get people off the fence when they think they're running out.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

I would definitely recc Spike's, but if you have your heart set on those two, definitely SW.

But check out Spike's awesome rifles and an even awesomer price.

I just did a review on their basic carbine.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLATAC#p/a/u/0/J-JAeTQGvZ4

 

[dantheman]

I'm not fanatical about cleaning my guns , so my Bushmaster has been run , extremely dirty . Never missed a beat .

 

[MrLefty]

If those are the only 2 you're considering, definitely get the S&W.

If you worship at the altar of "mil-spec", the Bushmaster is a travesty.

 

[asianak]

I just ordered me a upper thanks for the post!

 

[Nolacopusmc]

I just ordered me a upper thanks for the post!

From where?

 

[SpeedRacer]

Of those two, the S&W hands down. My personal choice for an off-the-shelf rifle would be a BCM complete, but it depends on your budget.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID-750-C

Regarding the Bushmasters, here's some good info on things to watch out for if you end up with one: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=13532

 

[james351]

After alot of thinking I broke down and ordered a Colt ar6520. Thanks for all the help and charts

 

[Nolacopusmc]

After alot of thinking I broke down and ordered a Colt ar6520. Thanks for all the help and charts

Cool. Good luck. Every exploded gun I have ever seen has been a Colt.

 

[asianak]

From where?

From the link that was posted on the first page

 

[biggie1447]

Cool. Good luck. Every exploded gun I have ever seen has been a Colt.

Really? i have heard that colts have a lot of problems but i wouldnt expect that

i was told that the tolerances are so tight on the colts that they tend to crap out easily and wind up in the shop for repairs

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Really? i have heard that colts have a lot of problems but i wouldnt expect that

i was told that the tolerances are so tight on the colts that they tend to crap out easily and wind up in the shop for repairs

Of course others have issues also, but for many Colt is the holy grail of AR15's.

I had one blow up in a class, and there is another (granted, it was abused) in this month's issue of SWAT.

Just kinda funny. In all the classes I have been around, never seen a Spike's, BCM, or SW go down.

But then again, that is only my experience. Others have seen the exact opposite.

I hate ford trucks too,i had a bad one, so....

 

[SpeedRacer]

I think Colt is like the Glock of ARs, in that you hear more negative things about them solely because there is more of them out there. Colt is one of the only two TRUE mil-spec AR manufacturers. The rest are reversed engineered.

Colt makes quality stuff, considering most of the guys in the sandbox are fielding Colts, if they were just randomly blowing up, don't you think we'd be hearing about it?

It's not my first choice, but the 6520 is a great rifle that has proven itself for a long time.

 

[james351]

I think Colt is like the Glock of ARs, in that you hear more negative things about them solely because there is more of them out there. Colt is one of the only two TRUE mil-spec AR manufacturers. The rest are reversed engineered.

Colt makes quality stuff, considering most of the guys in the sandbox are fielding Colts, if they were just randomly blowing up, don't you think we'd be hearing about it?

It's not my first choice, but the 6520 is a great rifle that has proven itself for a long time.

Thanks that what I needed to hear.

 

[Sin-ster]

Colt makes quality stuff, considering most of the guys in the sandbox are fielding Colts, if they were just randomly blowing up, don't you think we'd be hearing about it?

I thought FN had the larger chunk of that contract now? Or is Colt still the primary producer?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

I doubt there is a Spike's or BCM M4orgery in exsistance that takes the kind of abuse that the Colt M4s currently fielded by the US Army do. Spike's and BCM both make excellent guns. In fact BCM is my Go To Brand but there is nothing wrong with Colt. I don't doubt NOLACOPs account of one blowing up but I have never seen one in the thousands of rifles firing hundreds of thousands of rounds I have been around. When they do break it tends to be Joe related(broken sight post and bent charging handles), or over use(sheared gas keys, broken extractors, broken firing pins). The later catagory rarely happens inspite of the fact that most of the Army's M4s have been deployed nearly constantly for almost 10 years now. In short there ain't a thng wrong with Colt. LSP was dead on. Get a white light, some Lancer or PMags, and a good EO Tech and you will have a rifle that will fiunction and exceed your accurracy.

 

[james351]

Thanks . I like simple thats why I choose that model. No fancy gadgets. Ill get a good light and Rock and Roll. I carried a M16 for 3 yrs while I was a grunt back in the early 80s

 

[goteron]

LSP972, I dont doubt your account, but I do find it hard to believe that some parts were not changed out. 26,000 rounds with no replaced gas rings, broken lugs, springs, etc? Maybe there were no failures, but what about the armorers replacing worn parts? I think there needs to be some detail so the wrong impression isnt passed on. Someone may read that and then pass on that "colts run 26,000 with no parts replaced"

Not a personal attack at all, I just want to make sure I am hearing you correctly.

And I think there are some BCM's and to a lesser degree Spikes that are run very hard, certainly not nearly as many, but there are some out for T&E that have very high round counts / little cleaning and run hard.

Ill third the Keep it simple for HD idea. Though I do like an always on optic.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Its not the round counts it's the abuse. The cleaning with harsh solvents, the storing wet, the dropping, the banging into the table everytime you sit down in the chow hall, the lack of a real "NATO Standard" in Ammo(some of this Euro stuff is HOT!), the hanging of appliances in poorly designed mounts, the being literally thrown into the back of trucks, the parachuting etc. ABUSE. Any Grunt or former Grunt reading this knows what I am talking about.

 

[james351]

YEP know the feeling. Ft Benning in the winter was killer