Free Palestine

[thperez1972]

I wouldn't trust anything the government says without independent corroboration

While I understand what you are saying, believing something to be false only because the government said something is true is just as dangerous as believing something to be true only because the government said something is true. And you can have an opinion without needing to have independent corroboration. My question was asking for an opinion.

 

[GunRelated]

Do you personally believe 27 Americans were killed and another 14 still unaccounted for?

I don't have a solid foundation to place an opinion. Based on past history, we have been lied to many, many times in order to further an agenda. This may or may not be another one of those lies.

 

[thperez1972]

I don't have a solid foundation to place an opinion. Based on past history, we have been lied to many, many times in order to further an agenda. This may or may not be another one of those lies.

In other words, you don't have a solid foundation to correct other's claims.

 

[GunRelated]

In other words, you don't have a solid foundation to correct other's claims.

I wouldn't consider saying that the information is alleged would be an invalid statement.

 

[thperez1972]

I wouldn't consider saying that the information is alleged would be an invalid statement.

Alleged means to claim, without proof, that something has taken place. I echoed the government's number. I did not ask them for proof because the number is not unreasonable and I assume they have proof in this situation. 800k+ Americans visit Israel a year. That's an average of 66.7k a month. To say that 27 of the 66.7k Americans were in a place on that day where they could have been killed is not unreasonable. So it's reasonable to say their numbers are accurate.

So when you say the government is claiming, without proof, that 27 American were killed and 14 are missing, you are certainly expressing your opinion. You're welcome to do that. That's what this board is for. It's just humorous when someone expresses their opinion then, when asked about their opinion, claim they have no solid foundation to place an opinion.

So, if you are able to form an opinion, do you believe any Americans were killed in Israel? If you are not able to form an opinion, should we simply disregard any of your posts in which you shared your opinion?

 

[GunRelated]

Alleged means to claim, without proof, that something has taken place. I echoed the government's number. I did not ask them for proof because the number is not unreasonable and I assume they have proof in this situation. 800k+ Americans visit Israel a year. That's an average of 66.7k a month. To say that 27 of the 66.7k Americans were in a place on that day where they could have been killed is not unreasonable. So it's reasonable to say their numbers are accurate.

So when you say the government is claiming, without proof, that 27 American were killed and 14 are missing, you are certainly expressing your opinion. You're welcome to do that. That's what this board is for. It's just humorous when someone expresses their opinion then, when asked about their opinion, claim they have no solid foundation to place an opinion.

So, if you are able to form an opinion, do you believe any Americans were killed in Israel? If you are not able to form an opinion, should we simply disregard any of your posts in which you shared your opinion?

The information is alleged, coming for government(s) that have a long track record of lying about events that either didn't happen or that they themselves carried out. The burden of proof does not lie on me. I don't have to have an opinion on something to understand that it may or may not be true or twisted in some form or fashion to be used as propaganda.

 

[Fred_G]

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)."

Interesting stuff from the

"The Covenant
of the
Islamic Resistance Movement" https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp​

Not seeing too much "negotiations" from them.

 

[jcbvh]

I think we all need to save all this energy for what could happen here and soon given current world events and 14,000 illegals crossing over everyday.

The OP threw a Molotov cocktail and got the result he wanted.

If **** goes south here on the homeland (especially the LA mothership) we will all need to be on the same side.

Just my meaningless .02

 

[thperez1972]

The information is alleged, coming for government(s) that have a long track record of lying about events that either didn't happen or that they themselves carried out. The burden of proof does not lie on me. I don't have to have an opinion on something to understand that it may or may not be true or twisted in some form or fashion to be used as propaganda.

To say the information is alleged is to say you believe there to no proof to the claim. To believe there is no proof without knowing if there is proof or not is pretty much the textbook definition of an opinion.

 

[thperez1972]

The OP threw a Molotov cocktail and got the result he wanted.

A topic this polarizing and we're 170 posts in without the thread having turned to garbage and locked already? He didn't throw a molotov cocktail. He only lit a candle.

 

[GunRelated]

To say the information is alleged is to say you believe there to no proof to the claim. To believe there is no proof without knowing if there is proof or not is pretty much the textbook definition of an opinion.

Has there been proof shown?

 

[thperez1972]

Has there been proof shown?

to who?

 

[GunRelated]

to who?

If there has been no tangible proof shown then it is alleged, no?

 

[thperez1972]

If there has been no tangible proof shown then it is alleged, no?

You asked if proof had been shown. I asked who should the proof be shown to.

 

[Fred_G]

"Verily, the Moslems of either sex, and the true believers of either sex, and the devout men, and the devout women, and the men of veracity, and the women of veracity, and the patient men, and the patient women, and the humble men, and the humble women, and the alms-givers of either sex who remember Allah frequently; for them hath Allah prepared forgiveness and a great reward." (The Confederates - verse 25)."

Curious how the LGBTBBQ folks think about this. "Either sex" seems to imply a binary choice. So, I don't see much if any tolerance for alternative genders and such. Have the supporters of Hamas thought of this?

 

[GunRelated]

You asked if proof had been shown. I asked who should the proof be shown to.

Ok...

How about, at least a source that is credible? Until then, it is alleged.....

 

[thperez1972]

Ok...

How about, at least a source that is credible? Until then, it is alleged.....

I guess that means you won't be answering my question. Shocking.

It's easy to maintain your position when you give yourself the opportunity to dismiss any source with information you may not like as "not credible." The federal government is quite large with a bit over 2.5 million employees. Dismissing them all as "not credible" simply because they work for the government is just as bad as believing they are credible simply because they work for the government.

 

[WilsonCombatant]

Mainstream media said the American lives count is up to 30 as of yesterday.

 

[DeepBlue_7326]

Actually, That's what this is all about.

Saudi Arabia is about to normalize relations with Israel. That would lead to other Islamic states recognizing Israel's right to exist.
The Mullahs in Iran, flush with $6 billion in cash, can't have that.
So 600 Israelis were brutally slaughtered. Bought and paid for by Iran.

Now we're risking war with Turkey, a NATO member, as we send a carrier group to Israel's aid.

Blinken stepped in it deep.

Now back to coverage of Commander's bite victims.

This.

 

[DeepBlue_7326]

I can only wonder if the weapons used in the attack on Israel were some of what was left in the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Yes, its been confirmed that many of the hamas fighters killed were carrying US (previously) issued weapons. No doubt bought in afghanistan and funneled through the BM by way of Iran.