Hero kills rape suspect, but since in NY, being charged with murder

[323MAR]

It has nothing to do with cowardice and everything to do with reason. I'd rather be alive and free than dead or in jail. Hoping this guy doesn't have a weapon, or that you don't end up chasing him into a corner is stupid. I'm amazed that you are giving such poor advice, but then again internet bravado is a viable and legal option... Unless you follow through with it, then it is a good way to end up in handcuffs or worse.

Observing and making a phone call, good ideas. Giving chase, bad idea.

I was not giving any advice. I was simply breaking it down. What I failed to clarify is that there is a way to give chase from a safe distance so that you can report the direction of flight.

Yes, I consider ignoring a crime to be cowardice. "Internet bravado?" Deployments as a Marine and reprimands while working regular LE were more than enough real life "bravado."

 

[Jack]

I was not giving any advice. I was simply breaking it down. What I failed to clarify is that there is a way to give chase from a safe distance so that you can report the direction of flight.

Yes, I consider ignoring a crime to be cowardice. "Internet bravado?" Deployments as a Marine and reprimands while working regular LE were more than enough real life "bravado."

Who said anything about ignoring a crime? During those deployments did you often give chase to people while unarmed?

Here is reality. Civilians shouldn't be giving chase to anyone, without a very good reason. Statutory rape charge =/= good reason. George Zimmerman comes to mind. IF someone wants to start giving chase to criminals, they should join a reserve officer program. Training and the backing of a department are pretty damn important if you wan to start interjecting yourself into these situations.

 

[tim9lives]

Who said anything about ignoring a crime? During those deployments did you often give chase to people while unarmed?

Or execute them while unarmed simply because one feels that they ARE the the Judge, Jury and Executioner. Kind of the same attitude that the Taliban has.

This is what sets America apart from other non-democratic nations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. And...If one does not agree with a law...then there is a process to change said laws.

IMO...the shotgun wielding "hero" broke the law and should be punished.

 

[Grendal]

so at absolute best, its zimmerman 2.0

No.
I think it was a white on white shooting.
I am not being a racist just a realist.

 

[Jack]

No.
I think it was a white on white shooting.
I am not being a racist just a realist.

I think the guy who got shot was from Latin America.

 

[olivs260]

I think the guy who got shot was from Latin America.

Curt's article said he was from Spain. I think the reference to Zimmerman has more to do with him pursuing Acosta-Sanchez and the incident resulting in Carlson killing him though.

 

[oleheat]

So I'm assuming his defense team has already persuaded Joe Biden to testify on his behalf?

 

[Vermiform]

I think the guy who got shot was from Latin America.

Still not close enough for Zimm 2.0. Zimm got owned by by a teen in hand 2 hand and ended up getting his head bounced off concrete multiple times before he skinned his pistol.

 

[Vermiform]

So I'm assuming his defense team has already persuaded Joe Biden to testify on his behalf?

Doubtful. I think Biden would insist that warning shots from shotgun have to be fired in the air, not center mass.

 

[oleheat]

Doubtful. I think Biden would insist that warning shots from shotgun have to be fired in the air, not center mass.

Very true. Should've gone with the two blast technique....

 

[323MAR]

Who said anything about ignoring a crime? During those deployments did you often give chase to people while unarmed?

Here is reality. Civilians shouldn't be giving chase to anyone, without a very good reason. Statutory rape charge =/= good reason. George Zimmerman comes to mind. IF someone wants to start giving chase to criminals, they should join a reserve officer program. Training and the backing of a department are pretty damn important if you wan to start interjecting yourself into these situations.

Yes, civilians who want to actively fight crime should become reserve officers. That way, they can get the training and the opportunity to work towards justice within the law.

 

[323MAR]

Or execute them while unarmed simply because one feels that they ARE the the Judge, Jury and Executioner. Kind of the same attitude that the Taliban has.

This is what sets America apart from other non-democratic nations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. And...If one does not agree with a law...then there is a process to change said laws.

IMO...the shotgun wielding "hero" broke the law and should be punished.

Yes, he used excessive force that resulted in the death of a fugitive. His life was not in danger. It was the result of bad judgement. Which is the case in many crimes.

 

[323MAR]

Doubtful. I think Biden would insist that warning shots from shotgun have to be fired in the air, not center mass.

He did fire two warning shots. One in front of two different houses in an effort to get the attention of someone to call the cops. So he did follow the advice of our VP.

 

[CEHollier]

Or execute them while unarmed simply because one feels that they ARE the the Judge, Jury and Executioner. Kind of the same attitude that the Taliban has.

This is what sets America apart from other non-democratic nations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. And...If one does not agree with a law...then there is a process to change said laws.

IMO...the shotgun wielding "hero" broke the law and should be punished.

I don't see Mr. Carlson's actions as trying to be judge, jury, and executioner. He had caught the suspect the first time when he eluded the police and turned him over. The man escaped police custody and was caught again. And again he was turning the suspect in. Only this time he had no phone so he brought the suspect with him to neighbors to contact the police. According to Mr. Carlson the suspect went berzerk at which time he was a threat to an armed Mr. Carlson. By the suspects previous actions to elude/escape from the police I believe Mr. Carlson's story. Being it is the only one and there are no reported contradictions to it what he did was self defense. IMHO

 

[LACamper]

I'm going to side with Mr. Carlson being wrong. The alleged rapist didn't deserve to die.... just to be castrated without benefit of anesthesia. He took advantage of a teenager. That's statutory rape. But Mr Carlson stepped over the line.

Normally I'm not a fan of the statutory rape laws- 18 yr old w/ a 16yr old are still 2 teenagers. 35 and 14? That's wrong.