If only everyone had electric cars...........

[hdfinder47]

 

[AK shooter]

It would give the government something else to tax.

 

[machinedrummer]

Instead of a spare tire the car would have a portable generator in the trunk.

 

[Abby Normal]

And Motor Trend says it Only takes 20-40 minutes to charge your tesla. How long in a flood?

 

[Fredgr]

And Motor Trend says it Only takes 20-40 minutes to charge your tesla. How long in a flood?

That's if you have 330 volt three phase at your house! lol

 

[swampfoxx]

Saw this on another site the other day:

Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

To manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for one battery."


The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

 

[Xeon64]

Saw this on another site the other day:

Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

To manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for one battery."


The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

LA LA LA LA LA I am not listening... Electric Cars Make me feel good. Feelings are more important than Facts. Facts Hurt peoples feelings.... Now I am going run off to my safe space to cleanse my energy of Facts.....LOL....

 

[Abby Normal]

Thanks for the great info Swampfoxx. Do you remember the site you got this from? I will use it to make a greenie weenie cry & I want to quote my sources.
And the topper is they do not want any drilling for oil. But All of the plastics & resins for carbon fiber that make up most of the lectic cars comes from Oil!

 

[Hacksaw42]

Excellent article, will be sharing everywhere I can think of...Not that it will help convince any liberals out there...But, you never know!!!

 

[AdvancedLaser]

And Motor Trend says it Only takes 20-40 minutes to charge your tesla. How long in a flood?

Thats generally accurate, but only at a Supercharger. Then the home chargers (Called destination chargers) take about 4 hours to charge from 20% to 80%.

 

[AdvancedLaser]

Saw this on another site the other day:

Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

To manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for one battery."


The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.

The article conveniently left out nuclear. The only true zero emission source of power. If they licensed more nuclear plants (A brand new dual unit reactor is about to open for the first time in 30 years) then the electric cars would be viable and the combination of both would drastically reduce emissions. Tesla is also working on a cobalt free battery that can go a million miles. That would change everything.

 

[Hacksaw42]

Already fact checked on FB. Missing context… lol

 

[swampfoxx]

Thanks for the great info Swampfoxx. Do you remember the site you got this from? I will use it to make a greenie weenie cry & I want to quote my sources.
And the topper is they do not want any drilling for oil. But All of the plastics & resins for carbon fiber that make up most of the lectic cars comes from Oil!

I got it from one of LinkedIn contacts. I will try to find out the origin.

 

[RaleighReloader]

Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA

Facts and myths about electric vehicles.

www.epa.gov

Myth #5 covers this.

Mike

 

[La26]

The article conveniently left out nuclear. The only true zero emission source of power. If they licensed more nuclear plants (A brand new dual unit reactor is about to open for the first time in 30 years) then the electric cars would be viable and the combination of both would drastically reduce emissions. Tesla is also working on a cobalt free battery that can go a million miles. That would change everything.

I wonder what Tesla will charge for the million mile cobalt free battery?? They won't give them away, and since they have to make their money somehow, they will charge you out the a** for it in the beginning. I doubt there will be one in every driveway.

 

[Xeon64]

I wonder what Tesla will charge for the million mile cobalt free battery?? They won't give them away, and since they have to make their money somehow, they will charge you out the a** for it in the beginning. I doubt there will be one in every driveway.

If the Market dictated electric cars they would never catch on. What is going to happen is the government is going to force us all to buy electric cars by banning gasoline vechiles. They have done it before with their MPG requirements and polution control standards. It is why vehicles are already outrageous. 35K for a Basic Truck these days.

 

[AdvancedLaser]

I wonder what Tesla will charge for the million mile cobalt free battery?? They won't give them away, and since they have to make their money somehow, they will charge you out the a** for it in the beginning. I doubt there will be one in every driveway.

Its not an add on or option thing, thats their endgame with batteries. All of their batteries.

 

[Abby Normal]

Where yat RaleighReloader. I noticed that myth #5 left out what happens once the car is kaput. I know that the auto industry has been working for years to make there standard cars recyclable, at 95% they are very close. Most ev cars use carbon fiber to lighten the load & extend range. Right now carbon fiber is not being recycled. The batteries are still a problem with recycling but they are working on that.
So now let’s look at the environmental impact after the full life & recycling of the cars. After it’s used up you’re going to have a large pile of carbon fiber shards & very large battery in a landfill.

 

[KDerekT83]

While all these people are pushing for EV cars, I sat down last night and ordered x3 340LPH fuel pumps and a set of 80lb injectors for my truck. HAHAHA

 

[RaleighReloader]

Where yat RaleighReloader. I noticed that myth #5 left out what happens once the car is kaput. I know that the auto industry has been working for years to make there standard cars recyclable, at 95% they are very close. Most ev cars use carbon fiber to lighten the load & extend range. Right now carbon fiber is not being recycled. The batteries are still a problem with recycling but they are working on that.
So now let’s look at the environmental impact after the full life & recycling of the cars. After it’s used up you’re going to have a large pile of carbon fiber shards & very large battery in a landfill.

Lighter materials is something that every car can benefit from. That's why we see, for instance, pickup truck bodies moving towards aluminum instead of steel. Etcetera.

Carbon fiber has nothing to do with a car being electric or not. And the cars with the most carbon fiber are still pretty exotic (and still powered by gasoline). I agree that there should be concern about this, but it's a very small one compared to the concerns about tailpipe emissions. Landfills are not overflowing with carbon fiber.

Battery recycling has been pretty steadily evolving over time. And according to Tesla, none of the old batteries that they service end up in landfills.

Battery Recycling | Tesla Support

Tesla vehicles are designed to last. Materials in a Tesla lithium-ion battery are recoverable and recyclable. Learn what happens to Tesla battery packs once they reach their end of life.

www.tesla.com

Mike