Lifetime ccw

[SVT]

This is but one step away from a law abiding citizen being able to do what he should be able to do, anyway, IMHO.

EXACTLY! We shouldn't even have to jump through these hoops or pay fees for permission to exercise our 2nd amendment right.

 

[returningliberty]

EXACTLY! We shouldn't even have to jump through these hoops or pay fees for permission to exercise our 2nd amendment right.

Strap your gun on and go exercise it. A CH isn't a right, it's a privilege granted by the state to those who qualify as a way of restricting access to the ones Not qualified.

 

[SVT]

Strap your gun on and go exercise it. A CH isn't a right, it's a privilege granted by the state to those who qualify as a way of restricting access to the ones Not qualified.

It sounds like you believe conceal carry laws prevent criminals from conceal carrying handguns....good luck backing that philosophy up.

So to you the 2nd amendment is only for Open Carry, and the gov't "allows" us to conceal it, but only after we submit to their tests and pay up....um no thanks. (fyi - Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming don't require anything to conceal carry).

I would argue that we have the "Right To Bear Arms"....whether it be concealed or openly carrying. But I can see why a person who profits off of government mandates would advocate for said government mandates.

 

[oleheat]

Take a look at what the gun control advocate spouts off near the end of the article.

"Louisiana is just in general going off the rails on this stuff. This just completely and totally perverts what James Madison was doing in drafting the [Second] Amendment," Everitt said.

He doesn't even try to mask the utter contempt he holds for the Second Amendment. Let that sink in, for a moment. Then try and grasp the irony of this person to dare speak of this "perverting" the Second Amendment.

 

[JNieman]

Strap your gun on and go exercise it. A CH isn't a right, it's a privilege granted by the state to those who qualify as a way of restricting access to the ones Not qualified.

It's a right that has been infringed upon by people with bigger guns than me. There's a difference.

 

[oleheat]

It sounds like you believe conceal carry laws prevent criminals from conceal carrying handguns....good luck backing that philosophy up.

So to you the 2nd amendment is only for Open Carry, and the gov't "allows" us to conceal it, but only after we submit to their tests and pay up....um no thanks. (fyi - Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming don't require anything to conceal carry).

I would argue that we have the "Right To Bear Arms"....whether it be concealed or openly carrying.

Yes, I'd have to agree the average criminal probably doesn't fret much over the "privilege vs right" debate.

 

[andimthejr]

It's a right that has been infringed upon by people with bigger guns than me. There's a difference.

 

[benorth]

Strap your gun on and go exercise it. A CH isn't a right, it's a privilege granted by the state to those who qualify as a way of restricting access to the ones Not qualified.

It is something that a state has no right restricting. I understand the 2nd amendment is limited, however, when I paid for my CHP I paid a tax. I paid for something that the constitution is my God given right

 

[dzelenka]

The lifetime permit may not be the best idea. It could cause problems with reciprocity. Also, if we can get a NICS exemption for CHP holders, the maximum duration the CHP can be for is 5 years.

I love the convenience, but don't want any unintended consequences.

 

[SVT]

The lifetime permit may not be the best idea. It could cause problems with reciprocity. Also, if we can get a NICS exemption for CHP holders, the maximum duration the CHP can be for is 5 years.

I love the convenience, but don't want any unintended consequences.

Why would there be an issue with reciprocity?

What unintended consequences do you envision?

 

[JNieman]

Why would there be an issue with reciprocity?

What unintended consequences do you envision?

He /just/ lined out the unintended consequences. I think those two are pretty good ones.

Reciprocity only works if the other state thinks you're "good enough" to their standards, and they /choose/ to accept your permits as valid in their state. There is nothing forcing them to recognize your State's permit like their is a driver's license.

 

[SVT]

He /just/ lined out the unintended consequences. I think those two are pretty good ones.

Reciprocity only works if the other state thinks you're "good enough" to their standards, and they /choose/ to accept your permits as valid in their state. There is nothing forcing them to recognize your State's permit like their is a driver's license.

it's not clear to me the two unintended consequences. I see 1, that he is worried other states wouldn't recognize it. SO I asked why would there be an issue with that? (waiting on his answer).

I don't see another consequence that he listed. I see some statement about advocating for a NICS exemption, that's it.

Help me out here.

Now to address your Reciprocity concerns - I'm not sold that other States would refuse to recognize LACHP b/c it's lifetime. Is there something that's been said by other States regarding this?

 

[JNieman]

Other States have had their permits not accepted for reciprocity because the tests were nonexistent or they were not "good enough" for others States to pass.

To have a State that has a one time test, and allows people to theoretically go decades without so much as a refresher course is not unlikely to cause concern in other States. It's a cost issue really... and while I'd like anything closer to Constitutional carry as possible, I travel often and strengthening my rights in one state, even if it's my primary state, is not worth the sacrifice of my rights in others I may travel to.

 

[JadeRaven]

I don't really understand the purpose of the "refresher course."

What am I being refreshed on that has somehow gone stale?

Do I need refreshing on putting holes in paper ten feet away?

 

[SVT]

Other States have had their permits not accepted for reciprocity because the tests were nonexistent or they were not "good enough" for others States to pass.

To have a State that has a one time test, and allows people to theoretically go decades without so much as a refresher course is not unlikely to cause concern in other States. It's a cost issue really... and while I'd like anything closer to Constitutional carry as possible, I travel often and strengthening my rights in one state, even if it's my primary state, is not worth the sacrifice of my rights in others I may travel to.

ok understood.

hmm...here's what I would like to see Louisiana do:

#1: Offer a Lifetime CHP.
#2: Offer the option to "re-test" every 5 years, for individuals who travel and need CHP to be approved in other States.

 

[oleheat]

I think it's mainly referring to keeping up with the current laws (or changes in them)- which could be achieved by simply doing the research for one's own self....


Ok- back to what I asked earlier: What does a person from Montana do when they visit LA?? We "reciprocate" with them- but they no longer require a permit. When they come here for a visit, are they SOL?

 

[SVT]

ok understood.

hmm...here's what I would like to see Louisiana do:

#1: Offer a Lifetime CHP.
#2: Offer the option to "re-test" every 5 years, for individuals who travel and need CHP to be approved in other States.

EDIT:

#1: Louisiana becomes Constitutional Carry State (no permit required to conceal).
#2: Louisiana Offers CHP Tests to individuals who travel to other States.

 

[Emperor]

Ok- back to what I asked earlier: What does a person from Montana do when they visit LA?? We "reciprocate" with them- but they no longer require a permit. When they come here for a visit, are they SOL?

When faced with the question, they all consider themselves in the "Concealed is concealed" crowd?

 

[JadeRaven]

EDIT:

#1: Louisiana becomes Constitutional Carry State (no permit required to conceal).
#2: Louisiana Offers CHP Tests to individuals who travel to other States.

Yeah this.

What would it take to be a constitutional carry state with no permit to conceal? We took the concealed weapon language out of the Louisiana constitution a few months ago. What else do we need? Repeal/adjust all of the other laws?

 

[JNieman]

Yeah this.

What would it take to be a constitutional carry state with no permit to conceal? We took the concealed weapon language out of the Louisiana constitution a few months ago. What else do we need? Repeal/adjust all of the other laws?

Yes, but I'd prefer the option to continue to maintain CHPs as I would like to maintain my right to do so in States that do not allow non-resident permits, but require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.