Marvin Heemeyer was a nutjob!
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I saw a a longer video on this incident awhile back and he fired a lot of shots at people. Specifically one of the people he went after got into his own bulldozer to protect his property was fired upon but was able to protect himself by raising the bucket to block incoming.
But yeah, I think it is pretty fair to say he was suicidal.
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The definition of terrorist is more about the motivations than the specific type of crimes committed. If you're going to swap around a person's motivations as if it doesn't matter, then you may as well be saying all murderers, all assailants, and all intimidaters are terrorists.
The guy was not of a differing ideology, belief system, nation (geographic, religious, or racial) and was not committing this act as a matter of revolution or war.
It was a guy who basically went postal. He was disgruntled with the people he was working with in his small podunk town, and he went on a spree with serious weapons. He didn't even kill anyone who didn't have it coming (he's the only one dead) and hell, many witnesses claimed he went out of his way to not directly harm people's lives, though that's obvious going to be a controversial opinion.
It was a disgruntled psycho who snapped and caused millions of dollars in damages to property to "settle" some perceived slight against him, personally, and was acting on his own behalf, and not on behalf of a nation/religion/people.
I think 'terrorism' is grossly misapplied in this country with disastrous effects.
This guy isn't one. That's not to diminish or downplay his crimes in any way... it's just not terrorism.
Oh oh oh I know this one!!
Would it be "piece of **** needs to be fkn dead terrorist???"
SpeedRacer
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He shot many rounds at multiple people. Many of the buildings he destroyed, including a library full of kids, were evacuated only seconds before he rammed them. He had every intention of killing people. The fact that he really sucked at it and failed miserably doesn't make him any less of a piece of ****.
And if you read more of the backstory it appears no one really screwed him out of anything. He was just a huge dush* who blamed other people for his problems but first and foremost was just a loon. I don't think you "snap" one day and spend that much time building that machine. He was full time crazy who already had a plan and was just looking for/making excuses to kill people.
*For the old fogies: dush = douche
Mojo Rider
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The townspeople were terrified by his rampage sooo.....he's a terrorist.
Richard Reid The Shoe Bomber didn't kill or
Injure anyone. He was clearly a terrorist.
Hippie kids that torch fur farms don't hurt anyone
And they are terrorist. Here is my definition; he used violence, fear, and property damage to further his
Agenda and didn't care that the people he could have hurt or killed or who's
Property he damaged were innocent.
Injure anyone. He was clearly a terrorist.
Hippie kids that torch fur farms don't hurt anyone
And they are terrorist. Here is my definition; he used violence, fear, and property damage to further his
Agenda and didn't care that the people he could have hurt or killed or who's
Property he damaged were innocent.
Me personally, I think we need to reserve the word "terrorist" and not throw it around all willie nillie at nut cases. I mean, if that were the case, when we read about a naked guy chasing boys around the woods trying to have "relations" with them we would immediately call him a "terrorist", when in fact his official title would be "scout leader".
Kidding! kidding! Dont taze me bro.
Kidding! kidding! Dont taze me bro.
Exactly! It's not about the damage you do or don't do, but about /why/ it was done. The motivations or goal is the real cause here.
Yes, but /what/ his 'agenda' was is the important factor in determining whether or not terrorism applies. If it were to further the goals of some Palestinian regime; then certainly. If it were to publicize the cause of supreme Gaia and strike a blow to the arrogant consumerists ruining our planet; absolutely.
If it's a nut job who went around killing people because he's nuts, no. He's just a nut. His agenda was his own, not part of a "greater good" he sacrificed himself for, or struck blows on behalf of.
Thinking otherwise is how we end up with the politician-written definition of domestic terrorism in the US Code, which I feel is broad enough that it's been abused and misapplied to simple cases of criminal behavior, in order to treat suspects as terrorists rather than civilian criminals, which warrants different treatment:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65464.pdf
Whereas, for reference, the FBI goes into lengthy detail as to what 'defines' terrorism, in order to establish a clear methodology and principle of thought behind the definition as well as citing examples and what /made/ it terrorism, here in this publication: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05if
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