no guns in Catholic churches

[my-rifle]

Wow dude. That's deep. I'm reminded of the short story I read in high school called, The Blood of the Martyrs about a whiskey priest in some unnamed unstable country - in prison and facing death for not turning in some revolutionaries. Just before he goes to the wall he apologizes to God for being such a failure, and having sex and drinking and abusing his position in other ways. He knows he's not worthy of heaven, and he surrenders to the will of the Father knowing that his fate will be eternal damnation. As the bullets tear into him the truth is revealed to the reader that the priest does indeed earn eternal life as he has accepted that he is a faulty being deserving of nothing, and accepting that God alone is the source of all love and forgiveness.

That one really got me thinking at 17 years old, I can tell you that.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

So how can you accept all of this on faith alone, yet you question everything the government does and want proof through statutes and such? Why can't you just believe that the government is as noble as the concept of God?

Why does one deserve faith and the other or anything else, does not?

 

[Gus McCrae]

So how can you accept all of this on faith alone, yet you question everything the government does and want proof through statutes and such? Why can't you just believe that the government is as noble as the concept of God?

Why does one deserve faith and the other or anything else, does not?

Remember that part about man screwing everything up?

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Remember that part about man screwing everything up?

Right, but if you have no physical proof of God, then it is just a story someone told you. WHat makes you belive in that story ore than the Easter Bunny or Santa claus?

 

[Gus McCrae]

Right, but if you have no physical proof of God, then it is just a story someone told you. WHat makes you belive in that story ore than the Easter Bunny or Santa claus?

Belief is entirely on faith, that's part of the concept. I do think that between brilliance and chance the numbers of the universe would favor brilliance, but I have no proof of either.

I do remember times where my faith has really comforted me when I was at a point of not believing. I guess that's what really decide to accept it.

The bible also has some very good points about living. I think some people get them confused and bend the meaning for influence.

 

[eliska]

But if I live a life of sin, and then repent on my deathbed, then I am good to go like the guy who went to church every Saturday.

Exactly. That is the parable of the vineyard workers.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Exactly. That is the parable of the vineyard workers.

SO again, my question is if i know as long as I am sorry at the end and repent, i will be OK, what is the motivation to do good my whole life. Isn't kinda like socialism in a way?

 

[wadepat2]

By the way, living a Christian life solely for the purpose of getting into heaven won't get you there either. You have to genuinely love God and your fellow man. If you do, then the errant nature of your soul won't keep you out.

This sums it up great!

That's what the Bible says.

Exactly!

More importantly that's what the Catholic church says.

If anyone truly believes this they arent following the top one which would mean they dont get in.

 

[leVieux]

So how can you accept all of this on faith alone, yet you question everything the government does and want proof through statutes and such? Why can't you just believe that the government is as noble as the concept of God?

Why does one deserve faith and the other or anything else, does not?

Our Faith comes from GOD.

Government comes from politicians. Religion comes from those who claim to represent GOD.

"Trust in GOD".

Not in politicians. Maybe not in religion.

Go out early tomorrow to watch the sunrise, you may see GOD. Or, some of GOD's work.

leVieux

p.s. Good luck in your "military" duty, Brannon.

 

[wadepat2]

Our Faith comes from GOD.

Government comes from politicians. Religion comes from those who claim to represent GOD.

"Trust in GOD".

Not in politicians. Maybe not in religion.

Go out early tomorrow to watch the sunrise, you may see GOD. Or, some of GOD's work.

leVieux

p.s. Good luck in your "military" duty, Brannon.

+1 This.

 

[my-rifle]

So how can you accept all of this on faith alone, yet you question everything the government does and want proof through statutes and such? Why can't you just believe that the government is as noble as the concept of God?

Why does one deserve faith and the other or anything else, does not?

I'm fine with the government. I just want to know what I can and can't do legally.

 

[XD-GEM]

Brannon, I 've met your wife. If she's not proof that God does nice work, I don't know what else will convince you.

 

[eliska]

SO again, my question is if i know as long as I am sorry at the end and repent, i will be OK, what is the motivation to do good my whole life. Isn't kinda like socialism in a way?

I suppose if you are confident that you will know when the end is near and you can then turn from a life of sin to true repentance, then your way will work. As for me, I know not the hour of my death. So I will walk with the Lord all the days of my life, not just the last few steps on the last day.

 

[Gus McCrae]

SO again, my question is if i know as long as I am sorry at the end and repent, i will be OK, what is the motivation to do good my whole life. Isn't kinda like socialism in a way?

I see the parallel you are trying to make, but it's not that similar. Your salvation doesn't depend on me or my good deeds/work like socialism would. Your salvation is between you and God and is not built on the work of others.

Your relationship with God is quite beyond anything on this planet. It actually has very little to do with anything here besides you.

 

[wadepat2]

If you shoot someone in church on self defense, is that still a sin?

God will have to answer that.

For some, it's "thou shall not commit murder" and for some it's "thou shall not kill"

I think it's the former, but either way it doesn't matter as for as Christianity goes as one can be forgiven for their sins.

That Commandment is very easy to understand for anyone who has read the Old Testament. God kills and helps many of his followers kill others at war and in defense. So it should be easy to see it means Murder. The Bible speaks of spilling innocent blood as sinning against God. If He meant dont kill then he wouldnt help His army kill vast amounts of people. Just Sayin

 

[Cat]

Then Jihad is just? Because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the religions of the sons of Abraham.

Many people do things in Gods name, and naturally our holy book would reflect our successful wars were done with God's blessing, but if you flip that coin, Allah has given extremist Muslims their blessing as well. I wouldn't call that killing in defense. I'd call it spilling innocent blood.


My point, a war in Gods name is subject to be an unjust war against somebody outside of your beliefs, militarized or political.

 

[wadepat2]

Then Jihad is just? Because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the religions of the sons of Abraham.

Many people do things in Gods name, and naturally our holy book would reflect our successful wars were done with God's blessing, but if you flip that coin, Allah has given extremist Muslims their blessing as well. I wouldn't call that killing in defense. I'd call it spilling innocent blood.


My point, a war in Gods name is subject to be an unjust war against somebody outside of your beliefs, militarized or political.

I hope I didnt sound like I was justifing war in God's name. I was pointing out that if a person believes in the 10 Commandments and where they came from at the TIME then its not hard to find out that (at the time) God meant no murder. The same people who got The Laws from God then where the same people he told to kill others. I wasnt arguing the point of killing I was showing God's and men's actions during this time to prove He meant no murder and not no killing according to the Bible.



Again not arguing beliefs Im just stating for Jews or Christians who hold the Bible as The Word of God then its easy if you read it to understand what He meant. If you dont believe it is the Word of God then it doesnt matter.

 

[OneStory]

SO again, my question is if i know as long as I am sorry at the end and repent, i will be OK, what is the motivation to do good my whole life. Isn't kinda like socialism in a way?

Your motivation to do good your whole life is similar to your motivation to carry a gun your whole life. You want to be prepared when the tests come (possibly while in church) - especially the "final exam".

I, for one, have physical proof that God exists...not that I need it.

 

[my-rifle]

Your motivation to do good your whole life is similar to your motivation to carry a gun your whole life. You want to be prepared when the tests come (possibly while in church) - especially the "final exam".

I, for one, have physical proof that God exists...not that I need it.

Actually that motivation will get you dropped from the team. If you do good just to get into heaven, then you're not really being good. You have to love your fellow man - all of them, and love God for no reason other that you love them, and then you are a good man. You must do so knowing that you do not deserve salvation. Otherwise you're a fraudulent Christian. God sees through such flimsy charades.

 

[my-rifle]

That Commandment is very easy to understand for anyone who has read the Old Testament. God kills and helps many of his followers kill others at war and in defense. So it should be easy to see it means Murder. The Bible speaks of spilling innocent blood as sinning against God. If He meant dont kill then he wouldnt help His army kill vast amounts of people. Just Sayin

I think you're wrong about this one. I don't think God helps anybody kill. In fact I'm pretty sure that if He thought it was OK to kill people in some circumstance, then in His infinite wisdom he could have come up with a better way of wording that commandment.