Strange noise heard around the USA has been identified.

[SimonJester308]

They would even nuke one of their own cities to maintain control, and of course blame the terrorists.

 

[GunAddict]

One man can change the country. 1 well place bullet can do the same.

Problem is at this point in time it will take a lot more than just 1 well placed.

 

[SimonJester308]

maybe that shot could serve as a warning to others?

 

[GBob01]

I can't remember the exact number, but wasn't the revolutionary war fought by less than 15% of the colonists of the U.S. with the rest remaining neutral or supporting the Brits.

Now let's go to todays numbers

approximate figures

U.S. population ......304,000,000
U.S. gun owners.......80,000,000
US active military.......1,436,650
US reserve military........848,050

Gun owners are over 25% of the population

Lets say only 15% fight a revolution gives us a number of 12 million

Taking on a military of only 2.25 million, some of which are not even stationed in the U.S.

Add in the LEO's and we'll graciously give them 3.5 million

Not all of those military and LEO personnel will be supporters of the gov't, so subtract 5-10% from them.

Short of nukes, I fully believe that a second revolution is quite winnable for the people with only 4% of the U.S. population fighting for it.

 

[jimdana1942]

The revolution was less than 10% and that includes everyone that assisted, such as women, old people, etc.

 

[SimonJester308]

Organized at the level like what? Sept 11th, or Katrina? How about Iraq when King George declared combat operations to be over? Of course you can compare the two. Look how much havoc two AssClowns with one AR did. Did the feds find them? Nope, a trucker found them asleep in a parking lot. How about the UnaBomber, did all the Feds wizbangery catch him, nope, brother and a large reward. So I guess its how you look at it, TV and Movies would have us believe The Feds are an ubersmart infallible Goliath. But if you scratch the surface you might come to the opposite intended conclusion. Never mind the Man behind the curtain, for Im pretty sure he wears no clothes.

 

[LouisianaCarry]

And the British were not organized at the level the feds are, didn't have as much manpower, no commo to speak of, and certainly not an instantly accessible data base on the colonists.

C'mon guys, get real. You cannot even begin to compare the two.


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I am not saying what will or won't happen, but the British Empire was immensely powerful for it's day, just like the US is. No, things were not the same, but there are important similarities and lessons to be drawn from the experience.

Again, I do not advocate any kind of armed resistance, it is simply my position that all things under heaven have a beginning and and end, and we should be educated and prepared for certain eventualities, regardless of if they happen in our lifetime.

 

[Manimal]

Very few; that was my point. IOW, not enough to make it work.

"They" know the possibility is very real. Can you think of any other reason an active army brigade has begun training for domestic US operations?

Waco was the turning point in the complete abrogation of posse comitatus. Its been 15 years since that mass murder, and most folks have forgotten; if they ever knew.

Katrina was a test run, stymied only by the governess' refusal to surrender control. That was about the only sensible decision the poor, flustered woman made in that debacle.

But if anyone thinks for a moment that the government will now hesitate to use the overwhelming might of the US military against its own citizens... think again.

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I agree completely, and I also believe that the only thing at this point that could give the people enough power to regain control of their government is a major war in the States and -massive- damage done to the military/federal government infrastructure. Russia is the only nation that could do this, the people of the USA certainly couldn't.

Otherwise I think we're screwed.

The military and large city police forces have technology now that we cant even compete with. I mean...a Heat Ray that can be zoomed in on individual people at 2 MILES away??? They say it's harmless, bet it can be made harmful...firearms are still good at killing living things, but they are becoming obsolete in some ways.

 

[Bayoupiper]

I would just like to take a moment to say hello to all the "special" visitors that are probably reading this site..................

 

[Narco]

Its the mistake of our fathers and our fathers' father for the repercussions that this generation deals with today. Every event has trickled down to in our time has a outcome on tomorrow.

Just be thankful that you wake up and are alive, have cable tv and internet to ponder with, a car to drive, and the ability to voice your own opinion freely online. I swear sometimes ppl take things for granted.

Food for thought; read the passage below.. I am thankful

Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visit ing our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.


On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II.


Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, 'Where are you guys from?'


I told him that we were from Wisconsin. 'Hey, I'm a cheese head, too! Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story.'


(James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who had passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to tour the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington, DC, but it is quite another to get the kind of insight we received that night.)

When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.)


'My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on that statue, and I just wrote a book called 'Flags of Our Fathers' which is #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list right now. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me.


'Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They were off to play another type of game. A game called 'War.' But it didn't turn out to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are people who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19 years old - and it was so hard that the ones who did make it home never even would talk to their families about it.


(He pointed to the statue) 'You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon from New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. It was just boys who won the battle of Iwo Jima Boys. Not old men.


'The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the 'old man' because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys.. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.'


'T he last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes was one who walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?'

So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes carried the pain home with him and eventually died dead drunk, face down at the age of 32 (ten years after this picture was taken).


'The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning. Those neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.


'The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.


'You see, like Ira Hayes, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Ever yone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and on a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed, without any medication or help with the pain.


'When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.'


'So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time.'


Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless.


We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice.

Let us never forget from the Revolutionary War to the current War on Terrorism and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom.

Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world.

STOP and thank God for being alive and being free at someone else's sacrifice.


God Bless You and God Bless America.


REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up free, it's going to be a great day.


One thing I learned while on tour with my 8th grade students in DC that is not mentioned here is . . that if you look at the statue very closely and count the number of 'hands' raising the flag, there are 13. When the man who made the statue was asked why there were 13, he simply said the 13th hand was the hand of God.


Great story - worth your time - worth every American's time

 

[SimonJester308]

Is it so bad in our silk prison? Think of the poorest person you know and ask yourself how much stuff they have? Can we not still speak in general terms about the feasibility of successful (or not) armed insurrection without fear of some secret police kicking in our door at ohdarkthirty and squirreling us away in some basement to go medieval on our ass? Maybe we should start to really get involved in our local politics, and be more active during the primaries. Just a thought.

 

[LouisianaCarry]

[On ancient Athens]: In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. – Edward Gibbon

If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too. – Somerset Maugham

 

[LACamper]

How many have read:
Patriots : Surviving the Coming Collapse: A Novel of the Turbulent near Future
by James Rawles Wesley

 

[Narco]

LOL our own state let alone any federal organization cant organize the delivery of bottled water from DC to NOLA.. Or at least they put on a good show making us think they can't..



HI MOM!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Born4spd]

I would just like to take a moment to say hello to all the "special" visitors that are probably reading this site..................

This^

 

[Born4spd]

Someone upload Unintended Consequences to the site.. idk how.

It should be required reading for all BS.com members

 

[Born4spd]

It wont let me email it to people

You can get it here though.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6134934/Ross-John-Unintended-Consequences

 

[SimonJester308]

Scratch the surface? I have worked alongside them. What you're referring to was caused by internal turf battles. When there is unity of effort amongst them...

Whatever.

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Im not trying to yank your chain LSP972, Ive been commenting with an outsiders point of view. You are probably right as far as Unity of Effort is concerned. But why cant they seem to catch serial killers and other high profile dirt bags if they are as good as they are made out to be in the media?

 

[Bayoupiper]

Im not trying to yank your chain LSP972, Ive been commenting with an outsiders point of view. You are probably right as far as Unity of Effort is concerned. But why cant they seem to catch serial killers and other high profile dirt bags if they are as good as they are made out to be in the media?

I don't think that the issues in catching the serial killers was a "local" unity problem.

 

[mcinfantry]

i worked during the reign of the baton rouge serial killers. they knew lee was black LONG before any of the public did. NO ONE was willing to say it, in case he was light skinned... and because blacks would have gone NUTS at the announcement. hell many of them dont believe lee did it....... since DNA for race doesnt give the skin tone.......