Todd Green - Aim Fast, Hit Fast - October 17 & 18 - Thibodaux, LA

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    Here's some or all of the drills:
    http://pistol-training.com/drills

    Here is the F.A.S.T. test that will determine your overall skill:
    http://pistol-training.com/fastest <--- Sevigny Video

    Dave Sevigny is the current record holder:
    embeding disabled, go to the link above for the youtube url


    http://pistol-training.com/drills/fast-fundamentals-accuracy-speed-test <--- Watch these videos

    F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, & Speed Test)
    designed by Todd Green

    Range: 7 yards
    Target: 3×5 card (head), 8″ plate (body)
    Start position: weapon concealed or in duty condition with all holster retention devices active; shooter facing downrange in relaxed stance with arms down at sides
    Rounds fired: 6

    Shooter loads gun with a total of two rounds. On start signal, shooter draws and fires two rounds at the head target; performs a slidelock reload; and fires four rounds at the body target.


    Ranking:

    10+ seconds: Novice
    less than 10 seconds: Intermediate (Where I ended up :o )
    less than 7 seconds: Advanced
    less than 5 seconds: Expert
    If shooter is using a retention holster and flap (covered) magazine pouches, subtract 0.5 seconds from the recorded time. If shooter is using an open-top retention holster (e.g., Blackhawk SERPA or Safariland ALS) with no concealment, add 0.50 seconds to the recorded time.


    The F.A.S.T. Wall of Fame, listing every pistol-training.com student who received a rank of Advanced or higher on the drill during a class.

    The FASTest page, listing the current official world record for the drill as well as the top student from each pistol-training.com class.
     
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    spanky

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    Another email

    JJ -- Saw on your board that there are some folks concerned about the
    3x5 standard. Thought I would give you some info for you to share when
    & how you felt appropriate.

    The 3x5 standard is there for a reason. Someone who can hit a 3x5 card
    at 5yd on demand has at least a passing ability with marksmanship
    fundamentals. To be honest, I'd much rather it be seven yards, but
    we've got a weekend to work on that.

    If class begins and many students cannot do the "front sight, trigger
    press" thing properly already, there are two choices: slow down to
    work on marksmanship which screws the good shooters, or screw the bad
    shooters and let them waste ammo all weekend. By spelling out what I
    expect up front, I'm letting folks know that we will *not* slow the
    class down just to baby some stragglers.

    If you can't hit that card at 5yd, will I bury your corpse behind the
    berm? No. But if there are 16 people in a class, you're getting 1/16th
    of my time during diagnostic periods. I'm not going to spend half my
    time with one shooter just because he's the worst shooter. That is
    completely unfair to the other 15 who paid just as much to be there.
    So while hopefully you'll improve, I'm not going to pretend that
    someone who's missing a 3x5 at 5yd at the beginning of day one will a
    whirling dervish of death at the end of day two.

    Let's take a simple example. Suppose we're doing a drill that is "draw
    and fire 2-5 rounds at the target, reholster, and repeat until you've
    fired 3 full magazine (4 if you've got a single stack gun)." While the
    line is doing that, I'm walking up and down watching individuals and
    giving advice. The guy who is already a good, accurate shooter but is
    putting all his rounds slowly into a 2" circle will be told, "Speed
    up! Track your sight. Move your finger. Break the shot when you can,
    not when it's perfect." The guy who is *not* an accurate shooter and
    is slowly putting his rounds all over the berm will be told, "Slow
    down! See the front sight. Press the trigger straight back, slowly,
    smoothly. If you see the sight move out of alignment while pressing
    the trigger, stop and start over."

    The point is, the focus or pace of the class isn't going to change
    just because there are some less skilled shooters in the class. So on
    the plus side, you don't have to feel like you're screwing over the
    rest of the class. On the negative side, if you're expecting the class
    to be tailored to your personal skill level, that's not going to
    happen. Will you learn? Yes. Will you have fun? Yes. Will you graduate
    with an Advanced rating and be the envy of your peers? Probably
    not ... but we'll do our best to get you there.

    Another note: the two prerequisites are short and simple. Why? So
    people can actually GO OUT AND SHOOT THEM to assess their level. Don't
    assume you can't (or can) make the prereqs until you've tried it.

    Train hard & stay safe!
     

    eagle359

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    Ernie,

    I am betting it is going to be a good one. I am having some problems with the 3X5 card. When I get close enough to hit it -the muzzle blast blows the card off of the target. I only have one clip for my Makarov. By the time I shoot one round, drop the clip, reload it with two rounds and shoot them I am well over eight seconds. Maybe Sears has some extra clips.

    John
     

    dawg23

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    Ernie,

    I am betting it is going to be a good one. I am having some problems with the 3X5 card. When I get close enough to hit it -the muzzle blast blows the card off of the target. I only have one clip for my Makarov. By the time I shoot one round, drop the clip, reload it with two rounds and shoot them I am well over eight seconds. Maybe Sears has some extra clips.

    John

    Clearly you have forgotten that you are supposed to blade at 45 degrees. This little-known technique will cut 3-4 seconds off your time.
     

    dawg23

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    the chances I will attend increase proportionally to dawg being downrange

    You are, apparently, unaware that I have retained the services of No. 8 as my bodyguard for the duration of the class. No one will dare to point a weapon in my direction with him watching my six.
     
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