Yes, Timmy...

[penguin]

...the ACLU does fight for you. And everyone. I wanted to post this to show people that the ACLU doesn't pick one group over the other. They have stood up for all groups who they believe are being trampled by an obtrusive government. Too many times have I heard that the ACLU only cares about the liberal agenda and that they would never be on the side of religion. Well, here you go:

http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

Enjoy!

 

[tmlowe]

I got scared when I saw my name in the topic name

 

[penguin]

lol, just a play on words. No Timmy's were harmed in this thread.

 

[dzelenka]

Did they file an amicus brief in Heller? For which side?

 

[penguin]

Did they file an amicus brief in Heller? For which side?

No. Their stance before Heller:

The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns

Their stance after Heller:

The Second Amendment has not been the subject of much Supreme Court discussion through the years. To the extent it has been discussed, the Court has described the Second Amendment as designed to protect the ability of the states to preserve their own sovereignty against a new and potentially overreaching national government. Based on that understanding, the Court has historically construed the Second Amendment as a collective right connected to the concept of a "well-regulated militia" rather than an individual right to possess guns for private purposes.

In Heller, the Court reinterpreted the Second Amendment as a source of individual rights. Washington D.C.'s gun control law, which bans the private possession of handguns and was widely considered the most restrictive such law in the country, became a victim of that reinterpretation.

The Court was careful to note that the right to bear arms is not absolute and can be subject to reasonable regulation. Yet, by concluding that D.C.'s gun control law was unreasonable and thus invalid, the Court placed a constitutional limit on gun control legislation that had not existed prior to its decision in Heller. It is too early to know how much of a constitutional straitjacket the new rule will create.

 

[LACamper]

constitutional straightjacket? There's an unbiased term...

 

[jayd]

The ACLU................

Didn't they sue the Boy Scouts because that organization wouldn't let Butt Pirates become Scout masters?

Hey Penguin, wouldya send YOUR kids to the Rump Ranger day care?

Haven't they been harrassing and suing a Northshore school because of a prayer before football games?

Wasn't the founder a flaming communist?

indeed

"The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily. The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…"

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”


Libs = commies who luv the ACLU

 

[dawg23]

The ACLU manages to find one or two occasions every decade that allow them to claim they fight for EVERYBODY's rights......like defending the Klan's right to free speech.

But on the whole the ACLU is a bunch of flaming liberal a$$holes. This country would be FAR better off if the entire membership of the ACLU were packed off to Cuba to till the sugar cane fields.

If this post offends anyone, feel free to contact the ACLU.

 

[CajunTim]

Equal rights, for southern whites

 

[penguin]

The ACLU................

Didn't they sue the Boy Scouts because that organization wouldn't let Butt Pirates become Scout masters?

Hey Penguin, wouldya send YOUR kids to the Rump Ranger day care?

Yes, I'm not a homophobe.

Haven't they been harrassing and suing a Northshore school because of a prayer before football games?

And I agree. School and prayer should be separate. And I temper that with knowing that I send my daughter to a private Catholic school.

Wasn't the founder a flaming communist?

Yes, he was associated with the American Communist movement. Do I agree with that? No. Has the ACLU protected civil rights IMHO? Yes. Did you know the Republican's governor's association is lined with Response Unlimited/Free Press (they are one of the biggest supporters and benefactors). The Free Press carries stories on Zionism, secret "New World Order" conspiracies, American Jews and Israel. Mixed in are advertisements for outfits like Pete Peter's Scriptures for America and Kingdom Identity Ministries -- practitioners of Christian Identity, a theology that claims that Jews are the literal descendants of Satan. Odd how if you dig into almost any political organization you'll find something bad.

Libs = commies who luv the ACLU

Really? I'm a lib and I'm not a commie. I just love how you can generalize people. I guess when I was deployed for almost 4 years straight with the Corps I was really pushing the communist agenda. Tsk, tsk.

 

[penguin]

The ACLU manages to find one or two occasions every decade that allow them to claim they fight for EVERYBODY's rights......like defending the Klan's right to free speech.

I posted about 20 occassions. And they do it all the time. Research goes a long way. The problem I see with a lot of members who are ardent GOP supporters is that they profess that the only way things should be is how they view the world as right. Well, people have different values and opinions. I am tolerent enough to know that you have the right to feel that way - but odd how you aren't tolerent enough to do the same. It's a 'your way or the highway' mentality. That in itself is call dictatorship.

But on the whole the ACLU is a bunch of flaming liberal a$$holes. This country would be FAR better off if the entire membership of the ACLU were packed off to Cuba to till the sugar cane fields.

If this post offends anyone, feel free to contact the ACLU.

If you'd do that you'd have a large percentage of the military there. Your opinion is just that - an opinion. And I respect that. Your opinion doesn't offend me, it just makes me realize how closed minded some people are.

 

[JadeRaven]

Well the military contains a very large variety of individuals. It's only an unfortunate statistical necessity that many of them be members of the ACLU.

 

[LACamper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owePsB0hQKc&feature=related

 

[penguin]

Well the military contains a very large variety of individuals. It's only an unfortunate statistical necessity that many of them be members of the ACLU.

So, the members of the military - who have volunteered to serve their country with the possibility of death - to protect the freedoms for which we in the Military are routinely denied are an UNFORTUNATE STATISTIC because of what they believe in? That is one of the most offensive things I have ever heard. I don't see you signing any contract to defend our nation. I don't see you living in hellish places, being displaced from your family and enduring hardships no one but fellow brothers in arms can claim to know. It's not an 'unfortunate statistical necessity'. It isn't a 'necessity' for one to believe in something that is counter to what you believe in so you can make such an egregious claim. It is pompous attitudes like that that prove it is easier to bitch and moan than it is to actually do something. Prove me wrong. Go down to your local recruiter. Tell them you would like to serve because it's a statistical necessity. We all joined for different reasons and yes, we are a microcosm of society so there will be members that are of different political affiliations. But to be so outlandish to discount our service as 'unfortunate' is unpatriotic. For someone who claims to be such, your statement above shows your true colors. Even those who have vowed to defend YOUR freedoms are just a side note because their political beliefs aren't lock-step with yours. Take off that ***** MCJROTC uniform and join to prove me otherwise.

And yes, this is an emotional post. I respect your different opinion, but to claim that we are oh-so-unfortunate is akin to saying that our service has no meaning. To that, I am truly saddened and hope you can one day understand what patriotism really is.

 

[CEHollier]

Penguin, You are a gun enthuist. Liberal = Anti gun You are a blue dog.

 

[penguin]

I am a liberal conservative and a conservative liberal. I am a centrist and a libertarian. I am an ardent gun rights supporter who also believes in welfare of our environment and the benefits of the government helping out the masses. I am a veteran Marine and proud. I am an American.

 

[dawg23]

I posted about 20 occassions. And they do it all the time. Research goes a long way. The problem I see with a lot of members who are ardent GOP supporters is that they profess that the only way things should be is how they view the world as right. Well, people have different values and opinions. I am tolerent enough to know that you have the right to feel that way - but odd how you aren't tolerent enough to do the same. It's a 'your way or the highway' mentality. That in itself is call dictatorship.



If you'd do that you'd have a large percentage of the military there. Your opinion is just that - an opinion. And I respect that. Your opinion doesn't offend me, it just makes me realize how closed minded some people are.

Yep, I get pretty narrow minded on some topics - like the ACLU - and, for example, its position on homosexual scoutmasters.

Sounds like you get offended easily on this topic. Sorry but I can't say I feel the need to sing Kumbaya when the discussion centers on vermin like the ACLU.

Dang ..........there I go being closed minded again. Sometimes I hurt my own feelings.

 

[penguin]

I don't get offended by your opinion. I just state my differing opinion. If you'll notice, the only post that I actually showed some kind of emotion on is the one by JadeRaven. That had nothing to do with the ACLU, but his interpretation of service members. Be closed minded, that is your opinion and right. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that. What is your stance on homosexuals in the military? I can tell you I knew a number that were very proficient in their MOS and it didn't bother me in the least. Don't take being verbose for being emotional. Those are apples and cranes.

 

[CajunTim]

[YOUTUBE]aMfr2CgIPhg[/YOUTUBE]

 

[penguin]

If I can get the $3.8 million that he got, yes. Yes, we can all get along...lol