Vehicle tint laws for civilians vs government vehicles

[thperez1972]

Posted on Nextdoor. They knew because I posted it under my name and neighborhood. They tried to tell me I couldn't do it without permission.

Your post seems to suggest they were not successful in their attempt to not have the video posted.

 

[thperez1972]

I'm failing to understand what one's home has to do with one's vehicle, they are not one in the same. This has been discussed many times already. You asked a question, I gave an answer.

Yes, I did ask a question and you did indeed give an answer. But your answer was not to the question that was asked. You are correct that a vehicle and a domicile are not the same. But, again, that's was not what was being asked.

 

[Magdump]

I'm not sure why I failed to remember this before but since it came to mind, I'll share.

About 10 years ago, I rented a vehicle to go on a trip to the east coast. It was a Chevy HHR (cringe), rented from Enterprise in Denham Springs. I left my house later in the night, myself and a friend of mine. We passed through Alabama around 3 in the morning, where we were stopped by Alabama state police. I was doing the speed limit, with no other driving errors. Officer approached the car, asked the usual questions and asked for usual identification. I provided and answered all questions politely. I then asked him what was the reason for the stop. His answer, "your tint is too dark on the rear windows".
This is a rental, with factory tint, so obviously, the tint was not illegal, nor was it the reason for the stop.
He then proceeded to ask me if he could search my vehicle, to which I replied, "no, thank you. It's freezing outside, it's 3 AM, I'm tired, and I just want to get to where I'm going. There is nothing illegal in this vehicle".
So, of course, he made me stay there and wait for a K9. They walked the K9 around the car, slapping it and giving commands to the dog. So of course, what happens... The dog hits the car just like he was trained to do.
So we had to sit outside in below freezing temps, for almost an hour, while they stripped the car apart for nothing. No citation, no drugs ever in the vehicle.
So any of you that will sit here and say that cops will not use small infractions, like tint, or seatbelts, or even make something up like in this case; you can blow that smoke up someone else's poo shooter because I know better, and so do a lot of other people.

You got stopped because you were in a rental. Cut and dried. Happens all the time. Rental profiling.

 

[AustinBR]

You got stopped because you were in a rental. Cut and dried. Happens all the time. Rental profiling.

Rental lives matter.

 

[Manimal]

You notice how people with authoritarian beliefs, once their argument is soundly defeated in principle and the injustice is pointed out, start to just belittle things and try to make a joke out of everything? Instead of admitting that they are wrong, or that they actually are for being/having privileged classes of people, or challenging their own beliefs and ideals to become better people, they just try to flip the table or derail a civil discussion so none can see what was being talked about.
It's part of being woke, just a different side of the radical liberal/authoritarian philosophies that people have without realizing it. It's part of the problem, but it's getting better. Libertarians birthed the Tea Party, the Tea Party birthed Trump's MAGA movement, and it will get better and more Libertarian over time because it's the right way to live and it's based on the wisdom and principle of the Founding of our beautiful nation. This forum HAS changed. Instead of me arguing alone for Libertarian principles against dozens of authoritarians, there are several other people arguing for liberty against a tiny group of "For me not thee" authoritarians of which about half are mods for the website. lol

 

[MOTOR51]

You notice how people with authoritarian beliefs, once their argument is soundly defeated in principle and the injustice is pointed out, start to just belittle things and try to make a joke out of everything? Instead of admitting that they are wrong, or that they actually are for being/having privileged classes of people, or challenging their own beliefs and ideals to become better people, they just try to flip the table or derail a civil discussion so none can see what was being talked about.
It's part of being woke, just a different side of the radical liberal/authoritarian philosophies that people have without realizing it. It's part of the problem, but it's getting better. Libertarians birthed the Tea Party, the Tea Party birthed Trump's MAGA movement, and it will get better and more Libertarian over time because it's the right way to live and it's based on the wisdom and principle of the Founding of our beautiful nation. This forum HAS changed. Instead of me arguing alone for Libertarian principles against dozens of authoritarians, there are several other people arguing for liberty against a tiny group of "For me not thee" authoritarians of which about half are mods for the website. lol

If you are referring to me, I indeed think most of this is a joke.


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[thperez1972]

You notice how people with authoritarian beliefs, once their argument is soundly defeated in principle and the injustice is pointed out, start to just belittle things and try to make a joke out of everything? Instead of admitting that they are wrong, or that they actually are for being/having privileged classes of people, or challenging their own beliefs and ideals to become better people, they just try to flip the table or derail a civil discussion so none can see what was being talked about.
It's part of being woke, just a different side of the radical liberal/authoritarian philosophies that people have without realizing it. It's part of the problem, but it's getting better. Libertarians birthed the Tea Party, the Tea Party birthed Trump's MAGA movement, and it will get better and more Libertarian over time because it's the right way to live and it's based on the wisdom and principle of the Founding of our beautiful nation. This forum HAS changed. Instead of me arguing alone for Libertarian principles against dozens of authoritarians, there are several other people arguing for liberty against a tiny group of "For me not thee" authoritarians of which about half are mods for the website. lol

One issue I've seen is the liberal use of the term "privileged class." Not every group that is separated from the whole is a privileged class. There's a medical exemption to the tint law. Farmers are exempt from the seatbelt law. There are special parking spaces for handicap persons. Police can be be exempt with respect to the speed limit. There are valid reasons why one group might be singled out due to their form or function. Those reasons don't make them privileged classes of people.

So when you refer to mods as "for me not thee" authoritarians, your description is only as accurate as your privileged class argument is valid. Personally, I disagree with "for me not thee." But because I have yet to see a valid argument establishing a privileged class with respect to the tint laws, "for me not thee" does not apply here. It's nearly impossible to see evidence of a "for me not thee" authoritarian in a case where "for me not thee" doesn't exist.

 

[AustinBR]

And if you are referring to me, you couldn't be further off base.

I am not a cop and have no ties to LE whatsoever.

But, I am a big believer in the rule of law. Laws exist for a reason. Many laws have written execeptions to them also based in law.

Trying to argue that laws are written to be unfair or to cause a divide is just silly.

 

[GunRelated]

You got stopped because you were in a rental. Cut and dried. Happens all the time. Rental profiling.

100% fact. What I did not detail in the story, is that I had a bunch of brand new, empty gun cases in the hatch. They saw the cases, saw 2 young(ish) men driving and it was a rental. So yes, profiling. They lied about the reason for the illegal stop and wasted everyone's time with an illegal search.

 

[Fordfella]

Without any further information, you seem to be claiming that people have the same, or even close to the same, expectation of privacy in their car as they do in their domicile simply because some other person asked a question.

Thought it was pretty clear. The question was "Does anyone believe that people have the same, or even close to the same, expectation of privacy in their car as they do in their domicile?" I make no such claim. But, somebody else claimed as much to me.
I was asked by someone who viewed my dashcam video, if I had that drivers permission to post said video. I do have explicit written permission to post a video of anything on Johnston Street or any public area. The U.S. constitution ratified in 1792 gives me that right. So someone out there believes that. Some people believe the world is flat too.

I have no protection provided by curtilage in my car that I have in my home. If my car is in my garage, yes, I have the same protection. Otherwise, not so much.

 

[GunRelated]

Yes, I did ask a question and you did indeed give an answer. But your answer was not to the question that was asked. You are correct that a vehicle and a domicile are not the same. But, again, that's was not what was being asked.

No, it just wasn't the answer you were looking for.

 

[GunRelated]

A grocery store is private property : I disagree with the government forcing the property owner to enforce things like mask mandates or even non smoking rules (I’m a non smoker but I believe a store owner should be allowed to run it as he/she sees fit and people will either spend money there or not).

If my driving is revoked for any reason I will risk driving without a DL or find a ride, just like when I was young and liked dark tint I paid the fines and pulled tint when asked to (never once complained about the law). On a side note I used really cheap tint on my windshield and front doors and just learned to apply it myself (not very hard). Now days I just go with the flow and with all the crazy laws on the books I still enjoy life and never get harassed by LEOs. Looking at other countries and how they live I personally feel blessed to be in the USA.

That's correct, a private space. My vehicle is my private space. No one can enter that space without a warrant, or unless I give them enough reason to enter. What goes on inside of my vehicle is no one's business, so long as I am breaking no laws.
Even though a lot of people were yelling from the mountain tops about how dumb and ridiculous the covid mandates were (in the beginning, not a year or 2 later), the average person did not want to hear it. Why? Because big daddy government said they are enforcing these mandates "for your safety" and they all just gobbled it up. People like myself were shunned, punished, and labeled as selfish because we refused to go along with the obvious clown world lies. Now, almost 3 years later, people have almost no choice but to admit they were wrong, some still cling to the lies for self preservation.

This is not much different. A false reason is given for a law/mandate, for our safety, but in reality, it is about control. Doesn't matter how you cut it, spin it, shoot it, whatever, it still is what it is.

 

[GunRelated]

And if you are referring to me, you couldn't be further off base.

I am not a cop and have no ties to LE whatsoever.

But, I am a big believer in the rule of law. Laws exist for a reason. Many laws have written execeptions to them also based in law.

Trying to argue that laws are written to be unfair or to cause a divide is just silly.

I bet you were one of the covid cultists. This was your thoughts, opinions, tell me if I'm off base.

"Well, they wouldn't be forcing small businesses to shut down just because they are being unfair, there must be a good reason for this. I bet it's for our safety."

 

[thperez1972]

No, it just wasn't the answer you were looking for.

my question: Does anyone believe that people have the same, or even close to the same, expectation of privacy in their car as they do in their domicile?
your reply: I believe that there is no reason to demand that we have a clear view into any law abiding person's vehicle.


1. A person can believe their expectation of privacy in their car is close to their expectation of privacy in their domicile while also believing there is no reason to demand that we have a clear view into any law abiding person's vehicle.
2. A person can believe their expectation of privacy in their car is close to their expectation of privacy in their domicile while also believing there is a reason to demand that we have a clear view into any law abiding person's vehicle.
3. A person can believe their expectation of privacy in their car is not close to their expectation of privacy in their domicile while also believing there is no reason to demand that we have a clear view into any law abiding person's vehicle.
4. A person can believe their expectation of privacy in their car is not close to their expectation of privacy in their domicile while also believing there is a reason to demand that we have a clear view into any law abiding person's vehicle.

Your answer wasn't the answer I was looking for because it was an answer to a question I did not ask. Your answer and any answer to my question are not mutually exclusive.

 

[thperez1972]

That's correct, a private space. My vehicle is my private space. No one can enter that space without a warrant, or unless I give them enough reason to enter. What goes on inside of my vehicle is no one's business, so long as I am breaking no laws.
Even though a lot of people were yelling from the mountain tops about how dumb and ridiculous the covid mandates were (in the beginning, not a year or 2 later), the average person did not want to hear it. Why? Because big daddy government said they are enforcing these mandates "for your safety" and they all just gobbled it up. People like myself were shunned, punished, and labeled as selfish because we refused to go along with the obvious clown world lies. Now, almost 3 years later, people have almost no choice but to admit they were wrong, some still cling to the lies for self preservation.

This is not much different. A false reason is given for a law/mandate, for our safety, but in reality, it is about control. Doesn't matter how you cut it, spin it, shoot it, whatever, it still is what it is.

A strip club is a private business. What happens inside the strip club is happening on private property. Should they be allowed to have glass windows at the front of their business? Should there be any limitations on what can happen on their private property if it can be seen from the public view?

 

[thperez1972]

I bet you were one of the covid cultists. This was your thoughts, opinions, tell me if I'm off base.

"Well, they wouldn't be forcing small businesses to shut down just because they are being unfair, there must be a good reason for this. I bet it's for our safety."

A gardening store was not an essential business so they were not allowed to close. But Walmart was so I could go get gardening supplies there. I do not see any logic to that. I also do not see the logic behind telling everyone to socially distance themselves from others for safety while closing half the businesses and forcing more people into closer proximity in the businesses that are open.

 

[GunRelated]

A strip club is a private business. What happens inside the strip club is happening on private property. Should they be allowed to have glass windows at the front of their business? Should there be any limitations on what can happen on their private property if it can be seen from the public view?

This is really apples and oranges. In one case, one is forced to hide their activities because it would otherwise be illegal, while the other is forced to keep their activities in plain view even if what they are doing is not breaking any laws.

 

[GunRelated]

A gardening store was not an essential business so they were not allowed to close. But Walmart was so I could go get gardening supplies there. I do not see any logic to that. I also do not see the logic behind telling everyone to socially distance themselves from others for safety while closing half the businesses and forcing more people into closer proximity in the businesses that are open.

Glad we can agree on something. Hopefully this will help guide your moral compass when it comes to how you view all laws and how and why they are applied.

ETA :

Because I can 100% guarantee you, well beyond any shadow of doubt, these mandates had absolutely nothing to do with public safety. Yet, that was absolutely the given reasoning. If our government is willing to lie to the whole population on something as important and big as a pandemic, then what makes anyone believe they would not lie to us about the reasoning of something as small as window tint or seat belts.

The only difference here, covid mandates were 100% complete BS, nothing about them was done for safety. Window tint, however, can be unsafe if gone to extreme examples. So, there is just enough reasoning there to get the public to fear for their safety and accept another lie and ridiculous law against them.

 

[Manimal]

A strip club is a private business. What happens inside the strip club is happening on private property. Should they be allowed to have glass windows at the front of their business? Should there be any limitations on what can happen on their private property if it can be seen from the public view?

 

[AdvancedLaser]

100% fact. What I did not detail in the story, is that I had a bunch of brand new, empty gun cases in the hatch. They saw the cases, saw 2 young(ish) men driving and it was a rental. So yes, profiling. They lied about the reason for the illegal stop and wasted everyone's time with an illegal search.

"What I did not detail in the story."

These are my favorite ones. People tell these fanatical stories about abuse of authority and then when a deep dive is done, all of these supporting facts come out.

Its like every single police shooting case on its surface, as portrayed by the media, is this incredibly terrible story. Then the entire story comes out and people are like "oh, well now we understand why they shot"...

Here is a hint. Two guys in a rental, with multiple gun boxes, and i'd bet with the tone of your posts doing the ole "you have no reason to stop me, I refuse to answer any question, I want a supervisor and my attorney NOW" type of replies....Sure does lead to their reasonable suspicion to call a dog to the stop.

Any other facts you want to throw in that occurred to your story ?