26 million Americans believe that Violence is justified to keep DJT out of the WH: additional 58mil OK with it -

[Bolt Head]

If they take him out…we (conservatives) will be next. There are many ways to silence the opposition. Their idea of peace is about the same mentality of peace in Gaza. Get rid of all the Jews then they will declare peace. We are to the point where it’s almost impossible to coexist as a people. Not the environment I want my young men and future grandchildren growing up in.

We'll be next?
They're not that big!

 

[John_]

Podna, there are clear distinctions, and the left is guilty of near-countless charges of being the violent aggressor the absolute-vast-majority of the time. You haven't learned your lesson yet, and it's seeming, more and more (to me), like you have your blinders on.

The LONG list of references Perez provided you doesn't seem to have slowed you down a bit, and that's f**kin' sad. It is beginning to SEEM like your education (and potential indoctrination) is far-beyond your IQ (not surprising). I hope you choose to show me otherwise.

Now you see, the discussion has been opposed but respectful. No where have I read in this thread Perez or sil-40 insult each other. In fact sil-40 has given accolades above to Perez for impartiality. But in your second paragraph above, unless I am miss-interpreting your intent (or meaning) above, insulting sil-40's IQ as low. Why the need to personally insult the man? Why stoop to that here?

I don't believe for a moment @sil-40 will swing you or Perez's opinions or beliefs. But sil-40 has engaged in spirited counter discussion here, always respectfully.

 

[Bolt Head]

Now you see, the discussion has been opposed but respectful. No where have I read in this thread Perez or sil-40 insult each other. In fact sil-40 has given accolades above to Perez for impartiality. But in your second paragraph above, unless I am miss-interpreting your intent (or meaning) above, insulting sil-40's IQ as low. Why the need to personally insult the man? Why stoop to that here?

I don't believe for a moment @sil-40 will swing you or Perez's opinions or beliefs. But sil-40 has engaged in spirited counter discussion here, always respectfully.

I did not say Sil's IQ was low.
Sil is highly EDUCATED. The potential for indoctrination is also up there, as we see with education today.
I alleged his education (and potential indoctrination) superseded his intelligence quotient.

 

[John_]

I did not say Sil's IQ was low.
Sil is highly EDUCATED. The potential for indoctrination is also up there, as we see with education today.
I alleged his education (and potential indoctrination) superseded his intelligence quotient.

indoctrination = to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs.

Respectfully, the same could be said for either you or I. What makes sil-40 any more susceptible to this potential indoctrination than anyone else?

 

[Bolt Head]

indoctrination = to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs.

Respectfully, the same could be said for either you or I. What makes sil-40 any more susceptible to this potential indoctrination than anyone else?

You'll see.

 

[hotbiggun]

indoctrination = to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs.

Respectfully, the same could be said for either you or I. What makes sil-40 any more susceptible to this potential indoctrination than anyone else?

United states is not socialist Sil40 learned such things in college. It immoral and wrong.
Socialism is a form of government that is not compatable with out Constitution.
Now sil might say, he isnt a socialist but he does endorse and support the socilist running for office.

 

[John_]

United states is not socialist Sil40 learned such things in college. It immoral and wrong.
Socialism is a form of government that is not compatable with out Constitution.
Now sil might say, he isnt a socialist but he does endorse and support the socilist running for office.

You don't even know the man (sil-40), never met him face to face, nor do you know in detail his background or history. Yet you paint a broad picture based on assumptions. I think that pretty much sums it all.

 

[Manimal]

This is why we're screwed. Right-wing people are too nice.

On a Left-wing version of this site, with roles flipped, no one would be sticking up for the person with the opposing view. They would be doxing the person, getting them fired from their job, reporting them to agencies, and otherwise trying to completely destroy them...to eradicate them, mostly to cause them to starve to death, in the name of "justice."

That's why they go out in the street and do not mind violence, it's all justified to destroy the opposing views.

Those who do not actively participate in destroying the opposing view STFU and rationalize their silence even to the point of gaslighting themselves,to avoid thinking outside of the movement's end goal. They only alter course if they are told to do so by an authority where they place merit.

Instead, right-wingers with 90% in common will fight each other over civility and the way they say things.

I'm not judging because right-wingers do things out of moral goodness and honor, generally, with good intentions.

But Individualism is inherently weak to the most powerful propaganda tactic, Divide and Conquer. We have to take note and be aware of that. We can be easily manipulated because of that general moral goodness and honor.

 

[hotbiggun]

This is why we're screwed. Right-wing people are too nice.

On a Left-wing version of this site, with roles flipped, no one would be sticking up for the person with the opposing view. They would be doxing the person, getting them fired from their job, reporting them to agencies, and otherwise trying to completely destroy them...to eradicate them, mostly to cause them to starve to death, in the name of "justice."

That's why they go out in the street and do not mind violence, it's all justified to destroy the opposing views.

Those who do not actively participate in destroying the opposing view STFU and rationalize their silence even to the point of gaslighting themselves,to avoid thinking outside of the movement's end goal. They only alter course if they are told to do so by an authority where they place merit.

Instead, right-wingers with 90% in common will fight each other over civility and the way they say things.

I'm not judging because right-wingers do things out of moral goodness and honor, generally, with good intentions.

But Individualism is inherently weak to the most powerful propaganda tactic, Divide and Conquer. We have to take note and be aware of that. We can be easily manipulated because of that general moral goodness and honor.

Your words are very true and very important. You get it.

 

[highstandard40]

This is why we're screwed. Right-wing people are too nice.

On a Left-wing version of this site, with roles flipped, no one would be sticking up for the person with the opposing view. They would be doxing the person, getting them fired from their job, reporting them to agencies, and otherwise trying to completely destroy them...to eradicate them, mostly to cause them to starve to death, in the name of "justice."

That's why they go out in the street and do not mind violence, it's all justified to destroy the opposing views.

Those who do not actively participate in destroying the opposing view STFU and rationalize their silence even to the point of gaslighting themselves,to avoid thinking outside of the movement's end goal. They only alter course if they are told to do so by an authority where they place merit.

Instead, right-wingers with 90% in common will fight each other over civility and the way they say things.

I'm not judging because right-wingers do things out of moral goodness and honor, generally, with good intentions.

But Individualism is inherently weak to the most powerful propaganda tactic, Divide and Conquer. We have to take note and be aware of that. We can be easily manipulated because of that general moral goodness and honor.

As long as we allow the "other side" dictate all the rules, we will always be on the losing end

 

[John_]

Very interesting article on what could be a landslide victory for D Trump in November.
From "The Hill", quite a compelling explanation. One aspect is the first time in 20 years the Teamsters did not endorse the Dem candidate.

 

[hotbiggun]

Very interesting article on what could be a landslide victory for D Trump in November. From "The Hill", quite a compelling explanation. One aspect is the first time in 20 years the Teamsters did not endorse the Dem candidate.

Im all about MAGA and i hope im wrong but i cant imagine they will let trump take office and if they do he will be impeached and convicted within a year.

 

[Fordfella]

Im all about MAGA and i hope im wrong but i cant imagine they will let trump take office and if they do he will be impeached and convicted within a year.

Dude...The fix is in. Hunter wouldn't have pleaded guilty if Kamala wasn't a shoo in. Hunter will be pardoned ASAP!!!

 

[John_]

Im all about MAGA and i hope im wrong but i cant imagine they will let trump take office and if they do he will be impeached and convicted within a year.

I don't think so. If Trump wins the election straight up (electoral votes), I don't think they can stop him. Murder him would be about the only way.

 

[John_]

Dude...The fix is in. Hunter wouldn't have pleaded guilty if Kamala wasn't a shoo in. Hunter will be pardoned ASAP!!!

"Hunter Biden is now scheduled to be sentenced for his felony gun charges in November, according to a recent order by the judge overseeing his case.
Biden will be sentenced Nov. 14 in Wilmington's federal courthouse, the court where he was convicted of three firearms felonies earlier this summer."

Joe Biden will pardon him before he leaves office January 20th, 2025. He has plenty of time after the sentencing. No matter what Biden has said in the past about a pardon. He isn't letting Hunter go to prison, that just isn't happening.

 

[hotbiggun]

I don't think so. If Trump wins the election straight up (electoral votes), I don't think they can stop him. Murder him would be about the only way.

There is that. During Trumps first term speaker of the house Tim Ryan (R)and about 50 republicans(check my numbers) resigned, retired or didnt seek election effectively throwing the Senate to the democrats. Effectively setting Trump up for impeachment. First time in history ruling party threw control of the house. It will happen again.

 

[sil-40]

Podna, there are clear distinctions, and the left is guilty of near-countless charges of being the violent aggressor the absolute-vast-majority of the time. You haven't learned your lesson yet, and it's seeming, more and more (to me), like you have your blinders on.

The LONG list of references Perez provided you doesn't seem to have slowed you down a bit, and that's f**kin' sad. It is beginning to SEEM like your education (and potential indoctrination) is far-beyond your IQ (not surprising). I hope you choose to show me otherwise.

I could say that a person who supports a known compulsive liar, convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and nepotist as a republican presidential candidate could be indoctrinated but I don’t and do you know why? Because coming at you personally detracts from the discussion of facts and reality. It creates a toxic, disrespectful environment where you and I can’t converse as equals. You mistakenly confuse a lack of support for the DJT/MAGA movement as an indication that my political beliefs must somehow fall somewhere to the left. It’s an ignorant assumption that couldn’t be further from the truth.

And Perez’s list of references didn’t “slow me down” because, while I’m sure it’s an accurate list of instances that support the point he’s making, I could also create a similar list that would do nothing but prove the overall point that the “tit for tat” is a monumental, dividing waste of time. So again, plenty of blame is to be had on both sides of the aisle for different reasons. Failure to acknowledge it is a practice in disillusionment at best or a mischaracterization of reality at worst.

I did not say Sil's IQ was low.
Sil is highly EDUCATED. The potential for indoctrination is also up there, as we see with education today.
I alleged his education (and potential indoctrination) superseded his intelligence quotient.

Intelligence is just a tool, like a knife. If it's not used properly, it's not only a waste but it's also dangerous. If it's not maintained properly, it becomes dull.

United states is not socialist Sil40 learned such things in college. It immoral and wrong.
Socialism is a form of government that is not compatable with out Constitution.
Now sil might say, he isnt a socialist but he does endorse and support the socilist running for office.

I would prefer to endorse and support an intelligent republican candidate. Up until Donald Trump, I voted almost exclusively republican outside of some 3rd party candidates. And I’m not an anomaly…Donald Trump has costed the Republican Party a lot of voters both in the presidential campaign and down ballot races. The sooner his diehard fans can come to grips with his poor viability, the sooner the Republican Party (and I capitalize those intentionally) can get back to reality, honor and honestly…legality.

And for the record, Kamala does not meet the threshold for socialist as it’s defined. Some of her campaign platforms would be considered interventionalist in nature but not reaching the threshold of socialism. Also, not communist or Marxist which are other trigger words used to wind up conservatives into a red frenzy.

indoctrination = to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs.

Respectfully, the same could be said for either you or I. What makes sil-40 any more susceptible to this potential indoctrination than anyone else?

Unfortunately, gaslighting and projecting can be done unwittingly. While I don’t take this personally, it is interesting to be called indoctrinated, to be honest. I think it speaks more about the person lodging the claim than it does me. I'm always evaluating/self-analyzing what, where and how I digest anything I’m studying or learning. Impartiality and a wide range of opinions are always my goals…why else would I engage here like I do? If I were just into guns or local shooting, I'd simply ignore the political stuff. Instead, I participate because we all learn collectively from each other when we can have conversations that bridge divides. I've already been discouraged from participating on this site once by mods for reasons that were not revealed but I suspect they have more to do with what I have to say and not so much how I say it. I intend to continue coloring inside the lines and if others wish to go outside them without retribution, that's just the nature in which we must operate.

My intuition tells me that anyone willing to assume I’m “indoctrinated” without having any idea of who I am means that they themselves are reaching for reasons to explain how I could arrive at different conclusion than them. It must be because something is wrong with me, right? "No one with 2 brain cells to rub together could come to any other conclusion than Trump is the savior to the United States unless something was wrong with them."

 

[thperez1972]

And Perez’s list of references didn’t “slow me down” because, while I’m sure it’s an accurate list of instances that support the point he’s making, I could also create a similar list that would do nothing but prove the overall point that the “tit for tat” is a monumental, dividing waste of time. So again, plenty of blame is to be had on both sides of the aisle for different reasons. Failure to acknowledge it is a practice in disillusionment at best or a mischaracterization of reality at worst.

You would be able to come up with a few isolated examples. But you would not be able to come up with a long list of widespread violence that has been condoned, and even encouraged, by elected member of the political party. There is no tit for tat when it comes to party endorsed violence. This is not "a practice in disillusionment at best or a mischaracterization of reality at worst." The Democrat party has justified violence because they believe they have morally superiority and the end justifies the means.

 

[Manimal]

They believe that, and quote, "They are not welcome here or anywhere, ever."

aka they want to starve Conservatives to death, period. That is a call for extreme violence.

 

[hotbiggun]

I could say that a person who supports a known compulsive liar, convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and nepotist as a republican presidential candidate could be indoctrinated but I don’t and do you know why? Because coming at you personally detracts from the discussion of facts and reality. It creates a toxic, disrespectful environment where you and I can’t converse as equals. You mistakenly confuse a lack of support for the DJT/MAGA movement as an indication that my political beliefs must somehow fall somewhere to the left. It’s an ignorant assumption that couldn’t be further from the truth.

And Perez’s list of references didn’t “slow me down” because, while I’m sure it’s an accurate list of instances that support the point he’s making, I could also create a similar list that would do nothing but prove the overall point that the “tit for tat” is a monumental, dividing waste of time. So again, plenty of blame is to be had on both sides of the aisle for different reasons. Failure to acknowledge it is a practice in disillusionment at best or a mischaracterization of reality at worst.




Intelligence is just a tool, like a knife. If it's not used properly, it's not only a waste but it's also dangerous. If it's not maintained properly, it becomes dull.



I would prefer to endorse and support an intelligent republican candidate. Up until Donald Trump, I voted almost exclusively republican outside of some 3rd party candidates. And I’m not an anomaly…Donald Trump has costed the Republican Party a lot of voters both in the presidential campaign and down ballot races. The sooner his diehard fans can come to grips with his poor viability, the sooner the Republican Party (and I capitalize those intentionally) can get back to reality, honor and honestly…legality.

And for the record, Kamala does not meet the threshold for socialist as it’s defined. Some of her campaign platforms would be considered interventionalist in nature but not reaching the threshold of socialism. Also, not communist or Marxist which are other trigger words used to wind up conservatives into a red frenzy.



Unfortunately, gaslighting and projecting can be done unwittingly. While I don’t take this personally, it is interesting to be called indoctrinated, to be honest. I think it speaks more about the person lodging the claim than it does me. I'm always evaluating/self-analyzing what, where and how I digest anything I’m studying or learning. Impartiality and a wide range of opinions are always my goals…why else would I engage here like I do? If I were just into guns or local shooting, I'd simply ignore the political stuff. Instead, I participate because we all learn collectively from each other when we can have conversations that bridge divides. I've already been discouraged from participating on this site once by mods for reasons that were not revealed but I suspect they have more to do with what I have to say and not so much how I say it. I intend to continue coloring inside the lines and if others wish to go outside them without retribution, that's just the nature in which we must operate.

My intuition tells me that anyone willing to assume I’m “indoctrinated” without having any idea of who I am means that they themselves are reaching for reasons to explain how I could arrive at different conclusion than them. It must be because something is wrong with me, right? "No one with 2 brain cells to rub together could come to any other conclusion than Trump is the savior to the United States unless something was wrong with them."

Eat more red meat and have your T levels checked! Seriously.

Let me explain. When men get together it can be brutal especially when we are here to talk about politics or social issues.

When i was in my late 20s early 30s my best bud was a cop so i would be invited to campouts with his friends almost all cops. Overall i had a blast but it was brutal those guys can mess with you so bad that if you showed any insecurities you might as well go home. Lol

Point is reporting other men to the staff because of hurt feelings is a dick move. Enjoy your conversations learn from others and stop repeating the same tired talking points you hear echoed in the press.