Anyone Else Notice The Intentional Ignoring Of Ron Paul ?

[OneStory]

If you believe that the current state of the nation can be corrected at the ballot box, you are.

Breaking something in order to have the opportunity to fix it...?
I believe in this method because I've used it successfully. It's how our nation was born and may be how we save it.

Breaking it faster while I am around to take responsibility for the fix is my preference. Breaking it slower and leaving the fix to my grandchildren is, I believe, cowardly.

The breaking and the fixing will be very difficult IMO. The "beast" (govt) has grown too large and will fight to the death. Afterwards, many people will try and revive the beast and/or produce a new beast and start feeding it feverishly. The lice that suck blood from the beast will jump off its dead body and start searching for a new beast on which to feed. The longer it takes to find a new host, the more hungry and desperate the lice will get.

What am I currently doing? I'm a little ant biting the ankle of the huge beast. It pays no mind to me. But..., there are other ants...

Once we gnaw through the outer layer, we realize that the beast is made up of.....other ants!

It's not us against some entity called govt. It's us against us. And, considering how we have been voting, the "us" that want what I want are in the minority. Not a pretty situation to be in. My hope is that the minority "us" are more moral, wiser and stronger that the rest. And that the restoration of our nation can take place without further bloodshed.

 

[Tate]

While I still obstensibly support Dr. Paul (I'm not a Paulbot, I've got my issues with the man) I do so because the other Republican candidates will just lead us to the same place Obama is, if at a slower pace. For that reason I've had the same thoughts Leonidas and OneStory have shared. We may as well get on with the business of getting on. I'd much rather deal with this in my lifetime. We do live in a tyrannical state, but it could be (and is fast approaching) much worse.

 

[Leonidas]

..............Republican candidates will just lead us to the same place Obama is, if at a slower pace..............

Thank you for clarifying my thought. The darkness is gathering.....at an alarmingly accelerating pace.

 

[Jack]

Thank you for clarifying my thought. The darkness is gathering.....at an alarmingly accelerating pace.

If the end of our democracy comes, do you see yourself fighting for our country's new beginning?

 

[Leonidas]

If the end of our democracy comes, do you see yourself fighting for our country's new beginning?

I can't see myself sitting idly by. Does that seem to be my nature to you? In the movie National Treasure, Benjamin Gates poses a thought that history teaches that those who have the ability to act, have the responsibility to act.

 

[jdessell]

Leonidas, the reason for the alarmingly accelerated rate is because our overlords know that people who have been asleep for years are now waking up to the fact of what is in store for us. Now we have found ourselves in a race between being able to do anything about it while we wtill have time and losing the rest of our rights... ie, 1st and 2nd ammendment. Free speech and gun ownership are the two biggest threats to a tyrannical dictatorship.

I have not made up my mind as far as who I will vote for and I am not saying I think RP is the best candidate, that I am undecided on. What my point is, is that he is obviously ignored by the media (even Rush and Hannity) because his ideals and principles threaten the old "bought-off" establishment. Our current social-engineered society has been conditioned to believe that the world we live in today is normal. It shouldn't be a surprise then that someone like RP's Constitutionalist ideals would be considered crazy given that scenario.

 

[joey9139122]

For crying out loud, I haven't logged in for 6 weeks, and this Paul crap is still the same. Its like herpes, it lasts forever.




That would be correct. Because he's too busy with the paperwork necessary to claim expense reimbursement for the same items from two sources. Yep, that's the kind of integrity I crave.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/21/did-paul-know-about-double-reimbursements-for-travel-expenses/


Jeez, this guy resigned the Republican Party in 1987 to run for President as a Libertarian. And he's been running for 25 years since. That's a tie with Socialist Norman Thomas. What a pathetic, sick, weak crock of ................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxv2C5fplX8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[joey9139122]

I can't see myself sitting idly by. Does that seem to be my nature to you? In the movie National Treasure, Benjamin Gates poses a thought that history teaches that those who have the ability to act, have the responsibility to act.

I see yourself as a dumpy dude with a pot belly.

 

[Jack]

I see yourself as a dumpy dude with a pot belly.

I dont know if you are joking or not, but disagreeing with someone, is no reason to be an _____. With 10,000 more ron paul supporters acting like you, even I would give thought to dismissing him. I think he is trolling as well, but that just means its an opportunity for you to be the better person.

I can't see myself sitting idly by. Does that seem to be my nature to you? In the movie National Treasure, Benjamin Gates poses a thought that history teaches that those who have the ability to act, have the responsibility to act.

Not at all, I was just curious. If I was directly inserted to a situation, I would act, however I'm not sure if it would be easy for me to see an exact point where my action was needed. Given that you cant see yourself sitting idly by, at what point would you see yourself doing something? Is it a particular turning point, or is it one of those things where you will know it, when it hits you?

Throughout the last 100 years, our freedoms have been taken an inch at a time, and while each loss seems insignificant, they've added up to miles and miles from where we were. If everyone had enough at the same time, change would be made, but when people have different perspectives, or different starting points that they've identified our freedoms eroding away, we all have enough at a different time. It is always much easier for people to act in a group than it is as an individual, and I think this has been the true secret to our governments growth. If the changes of the last 100 years been attempted all at once, riots would've happened, and I'm sure it wouldn't have been allowed, however it feels like america is dying the death of 1000 cuts.

I guess what I'm getting at is, where is your inch?(no homo)

 

[jdessell]

NOLA_Jack, this has been the template of governemntal growth for decades. Chip away, Chip away. They know full well they can't take our country overnight, so they take a little here, a little there. This also serves the purpose of keeping the masses complacent. The Tea Party is the closest thing to an organization of like-minded people we have at the moment, and it hasn't been around long enough to really make any real accomplishment other than to make some voice of reason heard, and we all saw how much difference that made on the Obama-Care Bill.

Has anyone seen this video yet? I think it makes good sense...




His show got cancelled shortly after. Must have gotten too close to the truth...

 

[cajunranger]

Is he Raul Pauls dad?

 

[Tate]

Judge Napolitano is a great man. The loss of his show ensured I would never again watch Faux News.

 

[Leonidas]

I dont know if you are joking or not, but disagreeing with someone, is no reason to be an _____. With 10,000 more ron paul supporters acting like you, even I would give thought to dismissing him. I think he is trolling as well, but that just means its an opportunity for you to be the better person.



Not at all, I was just curious. If I was directly inserted to a situation, I would act, however I'm not sure if it would be easy for me to see an exact point where my action was needed. Given that you cant see yourself sitting idly by, at what point would you see yourself doing something? Is it a particular turning point, or is it one of those things where you will know it, when it hits you?

Throughout the last 100 years, our freedoms have been taken an inch at a time, and while each loss seems insignificant, they've added up to miles and miles from where we were. If everyone had enough at the same time, change would be made, but when people have different perspectives, or different starting points that they've identified our freedoms eroding away, we all have enough at a different time. It is always much easier for people to act in a group than it is as an individual, and I think this has been the true secret to our governments growth. If the changes of the last 100 years been attempted all at once, riots would've happened, and I'm sure it wouldn't have been allowed, however it feels like america is dying the death of 1000 cuts.

I guess what I'm getting at is, where is your inch?(no homo)

Not trolling with intent to do so. Simply disagreeing that RP is the only, last, best hope of repairing the Republic and restoring Liberty is all the incitement necessary to send too many of his supporters spinning out of orbit.

Paragraph 3 of your post is on the money. Well said.

I could think of a few "tipping points." Attempted disarmament of the citizenry would be one. However, I do not believe the freedom lovers will find it necessary to force the issue. It will be forced upon us. Look at Greece as an example. The $ numbers simply don't work. I don't care what kind of bizarre branch of mathematics one chooses to employ. The fuse of economic chaos is burning short. Frankly, I think that the takers are the faction that will start the ball rolling, a la post Katrina. No preparation. No skills. No critical thinking. Only appetites which they are incompetent to satisfy.

There's plenty of potential valid cause, now. Are you aware that every year there are 80,000 pages of new federal regulations (laws)? You and I and everyone else on this site is a felon in some way. All it would take is for some tool of the tyranny to wade through that morass to discover the appropriate one for the individual.

A good one might be some fed weenie checking my kid's lunch for approval.

Had a similar instance. There were drug allegations against a kid in my youngest's class a number of years ago. So the black uniformed SS throwbacks show up with dogs, line up the ENTIRE class and search them all and their lockers. And then they have the nerve to teach Civics. Natuarlly, I went ballistic and read the riot act to every public official I could dream of. The consensus reply was "tough ****." The SC ruling that schools may act in loco parentis and do damned near anything they want with our kids while in school. $800 later, she was an emancipated adult with a copy of the decree in her purse and strict instructions to demand her 4th Amendment rights thereafter.

 

[Leonidas]

I see yourself as a dumpy dude with a pot belly.

More of a barrel chest.

 

[Jack]

More of a barrel chest.

Still the pot belly though right?

Not trolling with intent to do so. Simply disagreeing that RP is the only, last, best hope of repairing the Republic and restoring Liberty is all the incitement necessary to send too many of his supporters spinning out of orbit.

Paragraph 3 of your post is on the money. Well said.

I could think of a few "tipping points." Attempted disarmament of the citizenry would be one. However, I do not believe the freedom lovers will find it necessary to force the issue. It will be forced upon us. Look at Greece as an example. The $ numbers simply don't work. I don't care what kind of bizarre branch of mathematics one chooses to employ. The fuse of economic chaos is burning short. Frankly, I think that the takers are the faction that will start the ball rolling, a la post Katrina. No preparation. No skills. No critical thinking. Only appetites which they are incompetent to satisfy.p

Do you think though, that this would be started again by either an economic or natural disaster? If economic and we have a greece situation, with rioting and whatnot, then the confrontation would be between the welfare recipients and the government, followed by confrontation between them and us, as they attempt to loot/steal/pillage/plunder. If it comes from people like us, being fed up with the government shitting on the constitution, taking rights, etc. then it becomes a totally different situation. A situation where, if it became escalated enough, we would be looking at a libya.

The question then becomes, if you believe we have reached a point of no return, where the ballot box is no longer able to turn our country around, which would you be happier to see? An economic collapse, or a government so tyrannical, that it causes violent revolution?

There's plenty of potential valid cause, now. Are you aware that every year there are 80,000 pages of new federal regulations (laws)? You and I and everyone else on this site is a felon in some way. All it would take is for some tool of the tyranny to wade through that morass to discover the appropriate one for the individual.

A good one might be some fed weenie checking my kid's lunch for approval.

Had a similar instance. There were drug allegations against a kid in my youngest's class a number of years ago. So the black uniformed SS throwbacks show up with dogs, line up the ENTIRE class and search them all and their lockers. And then they have the nerve to teach Civics. Natuarlly, I went ballistic and read the riot act to every public official I could dream of. The consensus reply was "tough ****." The SC ruling that schools may act in loco parentis and do damned near anything they want with our kids while in school. $800 later, she was an emancipated adult with a copy of the decree in her purse and strict instructions to demand her 4th Amendment rights thereafter.

That is crazy. Thankfully, I don't have children and don't plan on having any for a while, because I don't know how well I would be able to handle that situation. Even worse, if your child is old enough to be emancipated, that means she will have around 20 years on mine. I don't even want to think of the ******** we will be in, in twenty years.

 

[jdessell]

Not trolling with intent to do so. Simply disagreeing that RP is the only, last, best hope of repairing the Republic and restoring Liberty is all the incitement necessary to send too many of his supporters spinning out of orbit.

Paragraph 3 of your post is on the money. Well said.

I could think of a few "tipping points." Attempted disarmament of the citizenry would be one. However, I do not believe the freedom lovers will find it necessary to force the issue. It will be forced upon us. Look at Greece as an example. The $ numbers simply don't work. I don't care what kind of bizarre branch of mathematics one chooses to employ. The fuse of economic chaos is burning short. Frankly, I think that the takers are the faction that will start the ball rolling, a la post Katrina. No preparation. No skills. No critical thinking. Only appetites which they are incompetent to satisfy.

There's plenty of potential valid cause, now. Are you aware that every year there are 80,000 pages of new federal regulations (laws)? You and I and everyone else on this site is a felon in some way. All it would take is for some tool of the tyranny to wade through that morass to discover the appropriate one for the individual.

A good one might be some fed weenie checking my kid's lunch for approval.

Had a similar instance. There were drug allegations against a kid in my youngest's class a number of years ago. So the black uniformed SS throwbacks show up with dogs, line up the ENTIRE class and search them all and their lockers. And then they have the nerve to teach Civics. Natuarlly, I went ballistic and read the riot act to every public official I could dream of. The consensus reply was "tough ****." The SC ruling that schools may act in loco parentis and do damned near anything they want with our kids while in school. $800 later, she was an emancipated adult with a copy of the decree in her purse and strict instructions to demand her 4th Amendment rights thereafter.

Your comment about everyone being a felon in one way or another. I was discussing this with a co-worker the other day. So many laws on the books, so much legislation being passed every day that can be interpreted anyway the sitting judge sees fit. I believe this is done intentionally so they can cherry-pick which law they need to prosecute whichever individual they see fit under any circumstances they need at any given time.

 

[Tate]

I think the 80k pages of new regulation each year are an effort to overwhelm us, beat us into submission.

 

[Jack]

I think the 80k pages of new regulation each year are an effort to overwhelm us, beat us into submission.

I think it is a combination of that, making it impossible for anyone to be truly informed, and giving the government the power to make anyone a criminal at any time.

 

[OneStory]

I think it is a combination of that, making it impossible for anyone to be truly informed, and giving the government the power to make anyone a criminal at any time.

And which presidential candidate is more likely to turn that situation around?

 

[Leonidas]

Still the pot belly though right?

No, love handles.


The question then becomes, if you believe we have reached a point of no return, where the ballot box is no longer able to turn our country around, which would you be happier to see? An economic collapse, or a government so tyrannical, that it causes violent revolution?

It's not that the ballot box cannot reverse the situation, rather that it will not. More takers than makers.
Won't be happy to see either. Bad times, whichever. I believe economic collapse is inevitable. Heritage Institute ran the numbers on SS promises. Unfunded liabilities of that program, alone, are 67 TRILLION, just for people alive as of today. There just isn't enough money in the entire world to fund our government for much longer.

The other option is less likely. No sane person wants to kick that off.

There is a scripture stating that if a nation will turn from its wicked ways, God will hear their prayers and heal the land. Fat chance of US turning.